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In article <jg0mr0$29q3$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Bob Baggio
<stinkinghot@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, and the other useful thing that worth jailbreaking for is 3G
> Unrestrictor. Nice being able to do something like Facetime over the 3G
> network - something other phones did 4 years ago.

not with anywhere near the resolution, fidelity or ease of use, it
didn't.

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In article <jfvbsv$479$2@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> > >IOS 5.1 beta is said to defeat all settings shortcuts, including those
> > >produced by the icon settings app.
> >
> > Another great example of Apple responding to their customer's needs and
> > desires.
>
> No fair customizing your device, DPGD! When Apple decides you need
> settings shortcuts they'll give them to you. Apparently the time just
> isn't quite right for convenience, just as multitasking wasn't necessary
> anytime before 2009!
>
> Kidding aside, and giving Apple the benefit if the doubt (quite atypical
> of me, I know!) perhaps this actually is a bug/security issue that needs
> fixing. If the Safari browser can launch this type of shortcut, perhaps
> it can call other as yet undiscovered system functions we're not supposed
> to be able to access at all, with or without shortcuts.

they've done this before. the solution is to fix the security issue,
not entirely kill the feature.

Todd Allcock

At 29 Jan 2012 17:17:01 -0800 nospam wrote:
> In article <jg0mr0$29q3$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Bob Baggio
> <stinkinghot@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh, and the other useful thing that worth jailbreaking for is 3G
> > Unrestrictor. Nice being able to do something like Facetime over the
3G
> > network - something other phones did 4 years ago.
>
> not with anywhere near the resolution, fidelity or ease of use, it
> didn't.


No, no, and yes. While lo-res/lo-fi, dialing a phone number is hardly
difficult. (Presumably we're discussing UMTS video calling which, while
standard in Europe, never launched here. Dialing a video call is no more
difficult than using the speakerphone function.)

And 3G video calling, unlike Facetime, is at least a standard that works
on any compatible phone (and network).

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In article <jg518t$1vl$1@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> > > Oh, and the other useful thing that worth jailbreaking for is 3G
> > > Unrestrictor. Nice being able to do something like Facetime over the
> > > 3G network - something other phones did 4 years ago.
> >
> > not with anywhere near the resolution, fidelity or ease of use, it
> > didn't.
>
> No, no, and yes. While lo-res/lo-fi, dialing a phone number is hardly
> difficult. (Presumably we're discussing UMTS video calling which, while
> standard in Europe, never launched here. Dialing a video call is no more
> difficult than using the speakerphone function.)

if it never launched here, then it didn't do it.

> And 3G video calling, unlike Facetime, is at least a standard that works
> on any compatible phone (and network).

facetime was supposedly to be an open standard. the only problem is
they never opened it.

Todd Allcock

At 29 Jan 2012 19:27:56 -0800 nospam wrote:
> In article <jg518t$1vl$1@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Oh, and the other useful thing that worth jailbreaking for is 3G
> > > > Unrestrictor. Nice being able to do something like Facetime over
the
> > > > 3G network - something other phones did 4 years ago.
> > >
> > > not with anywhere near the resolution, fidelity or ease of use, it
> > > didn't.
> >
> > No, no, and yes. While lo-res/lo-fi, dialing a phone number is hardly
> > difficult. (Presumably we're discussing UMTS video calling which,
while
> > standard in Europe, never launched here. Dialing a video call is no
more
> > difficult than using the speakerphone function.)
>
> if it never launched here, then it didn't do it.

Huh? A little provincial, aren't we? The iPhone is sold worldwide, and
outside of North America, video calling was one of its significant
"missing features".

I have a few unlocked European phones with video calling. The feature
doesn't work here in the states, but it works there.

> > And 3G video calling, unlike Facetime, is at least a standard that
works
> > on any compatible phone (and network).
>
> facetime was supposedly to be an open standard. the only problem is
> they never opened it.


Oh, that's a big difference...

It just goes to prove the old saw that power corrupts, and absolute power
corrupts absolutely. Where's the Apple who was supposedly the champion
of open standards, unlike the "evil" 800 lb. gorilla Microsoft, with it's
non-standards compliant IE browser, proprietary media formats, etc.

Now that Apple is the 800 lb. gorilla in the mobile space, they're
beating their chest with proprietary stuff like Facetime, iCloud, their
new "extensions" to ePub, all of which only work with Apple hardware.

Like The Who used to sing, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

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In article <jg5b98$71d$2@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> > > No, no, and yes. While lo-res/lo-fi, dialing a phone number is hardly
> > > difficult. (Presumably we're discussing UMTS video calling which, while
> > > standard in Europe, never launched here. Dialing a video call is no
> > > more difficult than using the speakerphone function.)
> >
> > if it never launched here, then it didn't do it.
>
> Huh? A little provincial, aren't we? The iPhone is sold worldwide, and
> outside of North America, video calling was one of its significant
> "missing features".

true but a *lot* of phones are sold in the usa where you say the
feature was never launched, so for a lot of people, the feature didn't
exist.

> > > And 3G video calling, unlike Facetime, is at least a standard that
> > > works on any compatible phone (and network).
> >
> > facetime was supposedly to be an open standard. the only problem is
> > they never opened it.
>
> Oh, that's a big difference...
>
> It just goes to prove the old saw that power corrupts, and absolute power
> corrupts absolutely. Where's the Apple who was supposedly the champion
> of open standards, unlike the "evil" 800 lb. gorilla Microsoft, with it's
> non-standards compliant IE browser, proprietary media formats, etc.

some of their stuff is open. just not facetime which was supposed to be
open.

> Now that Apple is the 800 lb. gorilla in the mobile space, they're
> beating their chest with proprietary stuff like Facetime, iCloud, their
> new "extensions" to ePub, all of which only work with Apple hardware.

they're doing some of the same stuff microsoft did, which could cause
problems later on.

> Like The Who used to sing, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

no kidding.

DevilsPGD

In the last episode of <290120121717018672%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

>In article <jg0mr0$29q3$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Bob Baggio
><stinkinghot@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and the other useful thing that worth jailbreaking for is 3G
>> Unrestrictor. Nice being able to do something like Facetime over the 3G
>> network - something other phones did 4 years ago.
>
>not with anywhere near the resolution, fidelity or ease of use, it
>didn't.

From an ease-of-use point of view, it "just worked" just like dialing a
phone call. This isn't the case with Facetime since Facetime first
requires both parties to have very specific devices, connected to third
party (non-carrier) networks.

I'm not necessarily saying that Facetime is a bad thing, but an open
standard where any phone could video call with any other phone using the
best mutually-available method would be a good start (and would be
similar to how iMessage works)

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> :

>At 27 Jan 2012 14:05:24 -0800 DevilsPGD wrote:
>> In the last episode of
>> <4f21f409$0$8494$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.co m>, Gary
>> <gary_w1@hotline.com> said:
>>
>> >IOS 5.1 beta is said to defeat all settings shortcuts, including those
>> >produced by the icon settings app.
>>
>> Another great example of Apple responding to their customer's needs and
>> desires.
>
>No fair customizing your device, DPGD! When Apple decides you need
>settings shortcuts they'll give them to you. Apparently the time just
>isn't quite right for convenience, just as multitasking wasn't necessary
>anytime before 2009!

"1) Options. We've got lots of them. So many in fact, that you need
two strong people to carry the documentation around. So many that it
will be a cold day in hell before half of them are used. So many that
you are probably not going to do your work right anyway. However,
the number of options isn't all that important, because we picked some
interesting values for the options and called them ...

2) Defaults. We put a lot of thought into our defaults. We like
them. If we didn't, we would have made something else be the default.
So keep your cotton-picking hands off our defaults. Don't touch.
Consider them mandatory. "Mandatory defaults" has a nice ring to it.
Change them and your system crashes, TOUGH! See figure 1.


If you've never seen "See Figure 1" go dig it up.

>
>Kidding aside, and giving Apple the benefit if the doubt (quite atypical
>of me, I know!) perhaps this actually is a bug/security issue that needs
>fixing. If the Safari browser can launch this type of shortcut, perhaps
>it can call other as yet undiscovered system functions we're not supposed
>to be able to access at all, with or without shortcuts.

At least two different (really different) people told me a while back
that there were calls in the OS to print. And that there are some to
connect via WiFi to file systems out side of the iOS device. I can
kind of do that with FileApp, but it's kluedgy.

>
--

- dillon I am not invalid

So Kim Jung Ill shows up at the barbecue. "Wait,"
says Qadaffi, "you don't have any peircings." "If you
starve your people enough they'll be too weak to rebbel."
"You have the same number of holes in your head as when
you were born," says bin Laden. "My compound had radar
and antiacraft misslles." "Your neck," shouted Hussein,
"it's the same length." "I didn't piss on W's father."
"Then what happened?" the three asked. "Damned counterfiet
Lipitor and insulin!"