Larry

dgates <dgates@somedomain.com> wrote in
news:6b02j4hnmfb10egkslaj058om898cjellm@4ax.com:

> That's what I thought. That's why I was surprised, when I installed
> and launched iPhlix today, to read this message:
>
> =================================
>
> Low Memory
>
> Your device's memory is running
> low, which may cause iPhlix to
> crash. Restarting your device can
> help with this problem.
>
> =================================
>
> Any thoughts on that?
>
>

Unlike the vast space of memory in all sectors of your desktop of laptop
computers, mobile devices have several VERY limited memory spaces to
consider. One memory easily overlooked is called "internal memory",
which on a laptop would be kin to the internal C: drive on a Windows
box. This is a non-volatile memory where the OS stores the apps and
their databases, so you can shut the device down without losing it.
This memory is separate from the small RAM, probably something like
128KB to save the battery, the processor uses to run programs...or less.
It is also separate from the "Big Storage" bragged about in the sales
brochures for ANY mobile device, not just iPhones.

As you keep loading programs onto it, in your case from the app store
unless it's jailbroken, those programs are stored in this internal, non-
volatile, memory. Again, related to saving the load on the battery to
make it run longer, the designers limit this memory to what they think a
"normal user" would load it to. When you load it too much, according to
one of its app developers, StarMap, this happens:

"Why do I get "Low memory warning" ?
The memory resources of the iPhone are limited. When memory becomes low,
all runnig application get this signal from the system in order to
reduce their memory amount. Starmap reacts by closing all menus and
going back to the map. This can happen if information is being pushed to
your device or if you are listening to music at the same time."

This must have been what you saw when you tried to install yours. Other
apps had already reserved memory for themselves. Your 16GB memory isn't
full. It's the other memories, much smaller and faster memories, that
are too full. Your only choice is to dump programs, which also dumps
their data, you seldom use. This frees memory for your new
installation....enough we hope. it's not a bottomless pit. These are
all tiny machines running on a whisper of power at very slow bus and CPU
speeds much slower than your laptop or desktop PC or Mac.

Sorry....

nospam

In article <6b02j4hnmfb10egkslaj058om898cjellm@4ax.com>, dgates
<dgates@somedomain.com> wrote:

> >> Let's say I run some app called CrappyMazeVoicePuzzle and it crashes,
> >> so I force it to shut. Should I be worried that a few minutes later
> >> BeeJiveIM or Pandora will have problems because I didn't restart after
> >> the trouble with CrappyMazeVoicePuzzle?
> >
> >no.
>
> That's what I thought. That's why I was surprised, when I installed
> and launched iPhlix today, to read this message:
>
> =================================
>
> Low Memory
>
> Your device's memory is running
> low, which may cause iPhlix to
> crash. Restarting your device can
> help with this problem.
>
> =================================
>
> Any thoughts on that?

there are a few apps that suggest rebooting to avoid crashes.
personally, i think they're just blaming apple for bugs in their own
apps. in any event, that is a different situation than having an app
crash and affecting other apps.

that being said, some apps such as safari cache data so the next time
they're opened, they don't need to reload the pages. if other apps
need ram, then that cache gets flushed.

nospam

In article <Xns9B66FA42FFnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> Your only choice is to dump programs, which also dumps
> their data, you seldom use.

that won't make one bit of difference to a running application.

Jon Ribbens

On 2008-11-30, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Unlike the vast space of memory in all sectors of your desktop of laptop
> computers, mobile devices have several VERY limited memory spaces to
> consider. One memory easily overlooked is called "internal memory",
> which on a laptop would be kin to the internal C: drive on a Windows
> box.

That was a very long and informative article Larry, which
unfortunately suffered from the slight defect of being almost
completely wrong.

Larry

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:301120080042069815%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> In article <Xns9B66FA42FFnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
> <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Your only choice is to dump programs, which also dumps
>> their data, you seldom use.
>
> that won't make one bit of difference to a running application.
>

It won't as long as the running application doesn't need to STORE
DATA....then it does....

Where will it store, for instance, all those spam gifs on a commercial
webpage if there's no memory left?

Larry

Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote in
news:slrngj5ane.4jv.jon+usenet@snowy.squish.net:

> On 2008-11-30, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> Unlike the vast space of memory in all sectors of your desktop of
>> laptop computers, mobile devices have several VERY limited memory
>> spaces to consider. One memory easily overlooked is called "internal
>> memory", which on a laptop would be kin to the internal C: drive on a
>> Windows box.
>
> That was a very long and informative article Larry, which
> unfortunately suffered from the slight defect of being almost
> completely wrong.
>

As our Second Apologist, now that you, obviously, have the correct
information.....why not SHARE IT WITH HIM who asked, instead of the usual
dogging anyone who actually tries to answer his question.

Tell him how it works, Mr Smartass.....

nospam

In article <Xns9B667BD07CF64noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> >> Your only choice is to dump programs, which also dumps
> >> their data, you seldom use.
> >
> > that won't make one bit of difference to a running application.
>
> It won't as long as the running application doesn't need to STORE
> DATA....then it does....

most apps store very little data (i.e. a preference file and maybe
state information). the point is that deleting an app from flash
memory is not going to give a running app more working memory when it
runs.

> Where will it store, for instance, all those spam gifs on a commercial
> webpage if there's no memory left?

it certainly doesn't store what's downloaded off a web page in flash
memory.

Jon Ribbens

On 2008-11-30, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> As our Second Apologist,

I'm not an apologist for anything. I'm just trying to point out the
truth when people make mistakes, or in your case, just seem to post
the first thing that comes into their head without the slightest
regard as to whether it's fact or fiction.

> now that you, obviously, have the correct information.....why not
> SHARE IT WITH HIM who asked, instead of the usual dogging anyone who
> actually tries to answer his question.

It looks to me like his questions have all already been answered fine,
by myself and others. With regards to iPhlix, I suspect the other
poster who suggested it was poor programming on the part of the
iPhlix app authors was correct.