c_mulholland@nym.hush.com

A friend of mine had an AT&T phone that was a dinosaur (read 6 years old)
and I talked her into getting a free iPhone 3GS. Well free, that is, if you
purchase $50 worth of accessories!

AT&T store personnel failed to ask her to copy her contacts and pictures
from her old phone to her new iPhone. She went back to the store and they
said some of her contacts were stored on the SIM...some of her contacts were
stored on the phone. AT&T was only able to transfer a small portion of her
contacts to her new iPhone.

The problem with this friend is she does not want to get an Apple ID. She
said she wants multiple email addresses associated with her iPhone. Another
problem is she does not have a personal computer. The iOS on her new iPhone
is 4.3.5 or something like that. This begs the question:

Did AT&T register the phone when she purchased it?

What happens if she does not load an Apple ID in the phone's settings?

Is it possible for her to download iOS 5 or anything from the apps store
without an Apple ID?

Some answers to these questions are obvious but I wanted to get the opinion
of others before telling her what she wants - or doesn't want - might cause
her multiple problems.

TIA.

Doug Anderson

c_mulholland@nym.hush.com writes:

> A friend of mine had an AT&T phone that was a dinosaur (read 6 years old)
> and I talked her into getting a free iPhone 3GS. Well free, that is, if you
> purchase $50 worth of accessories!

$50? What you actually need is a charger and a cable. Both are
available online for a very few dollars.

>
> AT&T store personnel failed to ask her to copy her contacts and pictures
> from her old phone to her new iPhone. She went back to the store and they
> said some of her contacts were stored on the SIM...some of her contacts were
> stored on the phone. AT&T was only able to transfer a small portion of her
> contacts to her new iPhone.
>
> The problem with this friend is she does not want to get an Apple ID. She
> said she wants multiple email addresses associated with her iPhone.

Multiple email addresses are no problem. I have three on my phone.

> Another
> problem is she does not have a personal computer. The iOS on her new iPhone
> is 4.3.5 or something like that. This begs the question:
>
> Did AT&T register the phone when she purchased it?

She could figure this out by trying to make a phone call...

> What happens if she does not load an Apple ID in the phone's
> settings?

I've never loaded an Apple ID into my phone's settings. Perhaps what
you mean is establishing an iTunes account? She will certainly need
that to download anything from the App store. She shouldn't need it
to use the phone.

> Is it possible for her to download iOS 5 or anything from the apps store
> without an Apple ID?

She'll need an account on iTunes to do that.

But if she is opposed to having that, why doesn't she just stick with
iOS 4.3.5 or whatever she has?

Michelle Steiner

In article <7xipn72289.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > A friend of mine had an AT&T phone that was a dinosaur (read 6 years old)
> > and I talked her into getting a free iPhone 3GS. Well free, that is, if you
> > purchase $50 worth of accessories!
>
> $50? What you actually need is a charger and a cable. Both are
> available online for a very few dollars.

So far as I know, they're included with the phone.

> > Is it possible for her to download iOS 5 or anything from the apps store
> > without an Apple ID?
>
> She'll need an account on iTunes to do that.
>
> But if she is opposed to having that, why doesn't she just stick with
> iOS 4.3.5 or whatever she has?

The phone should have come with iOS 5 already installed.

--
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People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

Wes Groleau

On 10-29-2011 12:47, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> The phone should have come with iOS 5 already installed.

A 3GS ?

--
Wes Groleau

There are two types of people in the world …
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c_mulholland@nym.hush.com

On 29 Oct 2011 09:26:30 -0700, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

>c_mulholland@nym.hush.com writes:

Thanks for the replies so far. Here is further clarification:
>
>> A friend of mine had an AT&T phone that was a dinosaur (read 6 years old)
>> and I talked her into getting a free iPhone 3GS. Well free, that is, if you
>> purchase $50 worth of accessories!
>
>$50? What you actually need is a charger and a cable. Both are
>available online for a very few dollars.

She purchased screen guards, a mobile charger and a protective case for the
phone.

>
>>
>> AT&T store personnel failed to ask her to copy her contacts and pictures
>> from her old phone to her new iPhone. She went back to the store and they
>> said some of her contacts were stored on the SIM...some of her contacts were
>> stored on the phone. AT&T was only able to transfer a small portion of her
>> contacts to her new iPhone.
>>
>> The problem with this friend is she does not want to get an Apple ID. She
>> said she wants multiple email addresses associated with her iPhone.
>
>Multiple email addresses are no problem. I have three on my phone.

My bad. What I meant to say is that she wanted multiple Apple ID's
associated with her iPhone. In other words, if she got an Apple ID, she
wanted multiple Apple ID's to suit her moods...I guess?

Maybe I am confused. I thought your Apple ID was an email account. Is that
not true????

>> Another
>> problem is she does not have a personal computer. The iOS on her new iPhone
>> is 4.3.5 or something like that. This begs the question:
>>
>> Did AT&T register the phone when she purchased it?
>
>She could figure this out by trying to make a phone call...

She can make phone calls just fine.

>
>> What happens if she does not load an Apple ID in the phone's
>> settings?
>
>I've never loaded an Apple ID into my phone's settings. Perhaps what
>you mean is establishing an iTunes account? She will certainly need
>that to download anything from the App store. She shouldn't need it
>to use the phone.

This is what concerns me. She wants music and apps but does not want an
Apple ID. Go figure.

>
>> Is it possible for her to download iOS 5 or anything from the apps store
>> without an Apple ID?
>
>She'll need an account on iTunes to do that.

This is what I thought.
>
>But if she is opposed to having that, why doesn't she just stick with
>iOS 4.3.5 or whatever she has?

I checked the phones settings. The iOS is 4.3.5.

I too thought the phone should have come with iOS 5.0 installed.

Thanks.

Michelle Steiner

In article <j8heoj$k59$2@dont-email.me>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > The phone should have come with iOS 5 already installed.
>
> A 3GS ?

According the Apple Store web page on it, the free 3GS has iOS 5.

<http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC555>

--
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

Michelle Steiner

In article <npgoa796ik070fp1ggoknabtobrolc14pj@4ax.com>,
c_mulholland@nym.hush.com wrote:

> Maybe I am confused. I thought your Apple ID was an email account. Is that
> not true????

The Apple ID is an email address. You can have multiple email addresses on
an iOS device, but only one of them (at a time) can be an Apple ID
associated with that device. Unlike a Mac or Windows computer, an iOS
device is a single-user machine.

-- Michelle

--
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

DevilsPGD

In message <npgoa796ik070fp1ggoknabtobrolc14pj@4ax.com> someone claiming
to be c_mulholland@nym.hush.com typed:

>Maybe I am confused. I thought your Apple ID was an email account. Is that
>not true????

It must be an email address, but it can be your own email address or a
free @me.com address (I assume that's open to all devices now through
iCloud, not just the current generations?)

There's vanishing small need to have more than one Apple ID for a single
user, although if you want to use different ones for different things
(iCloud data on one, App Store data on another, etc) you're free to make
your life more complicated.

I do the above because I share Apps with an ex-girlfriend, and share
Find My iPhone accounts with another group (we'll possibly migrate to
Find Friends later, but not everyone is on iOS 5 yet), while wanting my
own private iCloud data on a third. It works, but it's minimally
annoying to set up and it has some weird quirks.

The short answer is that you should probably just pick one address and
use it.

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

Doug Anderson

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> writes:

> In article <7xipn72289.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > A friend of mine had an AT&T phone that was a dinosaur (read 6 years old)
> > > and I talked her into getting a free iPhone 3GS. Well free, that is, if you
> > > purchase $50 worth of accessories!
> >
> > $50? What you actually need is a charger and a cable. Both are
> > available online for a very few dollars.
>
> So far as I know, they're included with the phone.
>
> > > Is it possible for her to download iOS 5 or anything from the apps store
> > > without an Apple ID?
> >
> > She'll need an account on iTunes to do that.
> >
> > But if she is opposed to having that, why doesn't she just stick with
> > iOS 4.3.5 or whatever she has?
>
> The phone should have come with iOS 5 already installed.

If she bought (or received free) it new from Apple or AT&T. She might
have gotten it some other way.

Doug Anderson

c_mulholland@nym.hush.com writes:

> On 29 Oct 2011 09:26:30 -0700, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >c_mulholland@nym.hush.com writes:
>
> Thanks for the replies so far. Here is further clarification:
> >
> >> A friend of mine had an AT&T phone that was a dinosaur (read 6 years old)
> >> and I talked her into getting a free iPhone 3GS. Well free, that is, if you
> >> purchase $50 worth of accessories!
> >
> >$50? What you actually need is a charger and a cable. Both are
> >available online for a very few dollars.
>
> She purchased screen guards, a mobile charger and a protective case for the
> phone.

So she got a free phone and decided to spend $50 on some
non-necessities. Still sounds like a free phone to me. (Of course
she probably also had to sign a two year AT&T contract, which no
longer makes it free by my reckoning. And that's a _lot_ more than
$50. But it sounds like she was already using AT&T).

> >> AT&T store personnel failed to ask her to copy her contacts and pictures
> >> from her old phone to her new iPhone. She went back to the store and they
> >> said some of her contacts were stored on the SIM...some of her contacts were
> >> stored on the phone. AT&T was only able to transfer a small portion of her
> >> contacts to her new iPhone.
> >>
> >> The problem with this friend is she does not want to get an Apple ID. She
> >> said she wants multiple email addresses associated with her iPhone.
> >
> >Multiple email addresses are no problem. I have three on my phone.
>
> My bad. What I meant to say is that she wanted multiple Apple ID's
> associated with her iPhone. In other words, if she got an Apple ID, she
> wanted multiple Apple ID's to suit her moods...I guess?

I doubt that she can do that in a useful way.

I'd be afraid that if I tried to use a different Apple ID to connect
to iTunes, Apple might remove or disable applications I'd bought under
the previous Apple ID.

Maybe someone has tested that.

> Maybe I am confused. I thought your Apple ID was an email account. Is that
> not true????

Well, my Apple ID happens to be a gmail account. But that has nothing
to do with what email accounts I choose to set my phone up to use for
email.

> >> Another
> >> problem is she does not have a personal computer. The iOS on her new iPhone
> >> is 4.3.5 or something like that. This begs the question:
> >>
> >> Did AT&T register the phone when she purchased it?
> >
> >She could figure this out by trying to make a phone call...
>
> She can make phone calls just fine.

OK, then she's good. Though maybe I just don't know what you mean by
"Did AT&T register the phone." They've apparently initialize the SIM
card on their network, which is all that is required to ues the phone.

> >> What happens if she does not load an Apple ID in the phone's
> >> settings?
> >
> >I've never loaded an Apple ID into my phone's settings. Perhaps what
> >you mean is establishing an iTunes account? She will certainly need
> >that to download anything from the App store. She shouldn't need it
> >to use the phone.
>
> This is what concerns me. She wants music and apps but does not want an
> Apple ID. Go figure.

I see. OK, in that case she's making life hard for herself.

1) If she has any friends who have computers, she can (for example)
rip tracks off of her CDs and use iTunes on her friend's computer
to put music on her phone. She'll have to pick a particular friend
and particular computer to do this, but it is a way to get music on
her phone without buying it from Apple.

2) Apps are harder. She can jailbreak her phone, and then download
apps from Cydia if she is determined not to use Apple's app store.
Not the route I would go, and she'll need access to a computer and
some moderate level of computer sophistication to do this. From
what you've written, she'd have to borrow the computer and I
suspect she'd have to borrow the sophistication.

Why is she so opposed to dealing with the app store? It is not
required that she spend any money, and there are many very appealing
apps that are free (music, not so much).