Tom Stiller

In article <H6WdnecVe7-63JbSnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-01-08 21:28 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<6sOdnWzouoe2oJfSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews. com>,
> > Alan Browne<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >> It would be nice if (eg.):
> >>
> >> -Running apps that are in background were highlighted with a green
> >> square around them.
> >>
> >> -Foreground, but inactive, highlighted with a yellow square around them.
> >>
> >> -Suspended/resident - not running, orange square.
> >>
> >> Symbol/color could be different, just putting up the notion that it
> >> should be easily identifiable.
> >
> > What would you do differently if you had that information?
>
> I'm sometimes uncertain which apps are running in BG. One of them, for
> example is GPS Kit. If you're recording a track and you click the home
> button, it backgrounds and keeps recording for [iirc] 30 minutes. If I
> want to stop that I can click the app and double-home-click to stop the app.
>
> With the above suggestion (color boxes) there could also be action
> gestures to stop|dispose of the app. (back-swipe, for example).

Seems like needless bother to me. In an app can run in the background
and I'm interested in its generated results (e.g. location services) I'd
let it run. Otherwise I'd kill it off.

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Michelle Steiner

In article <jefgfr$kul$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:

> > Oh, and you still haven't said what that "System" app is.
> >
>
> It's an app I got to analyse system events in iPad1. It works well.

Got where? From the App Store, or did you have to jailbreak the iPad?

> Apple should have made available something similar; also some filestore
> analysis app. But they didn't, so we're reduced to having to do it for
> ourselves.

Why should Apple have made available something that a very minuscule
portion of iPad owners would ever use?

> Let's not bicker about terminology in "general-purpose PC". The iPad has
> RAM, hard disk, OS and lots of apps. It is for all the world a portable
> PC.

Portable, yes; general purpose, no. It is not designed to be a
general-purpose PC.

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Michelle Steiner

In article <Wp-dndjt0-ug35bSnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> > Since only one app can be in the foreground, it's active. And is not shown
> > in the recent-apps bar.
>
> Definitions I guess. To me the music player is a foreground app even if
> something else (map, browser, whatever) is "visually" in the foreground
> and responding to gestures.

By definition, only one app at a time can be a foreground app.

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Howard Brazee

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:37:09 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>> Let's not bicker about terminology in "general-purpose PC". The iPad has
>> RAM, hard disk, OS and lots of apps. It is for all the world a portable
>> PC.
>
>Portable, yes; general purpose, no. It is not designed to be a
>general-purpose PC.

It's "general purposes" are somewhat different. Just as PC's are
different from mainframes and mini-computers. There are some things
the iPad does better, some things it doesn't do as well. It can do
quite a few things, which qualifies it as "general purpose" - but not
everything - no computer fits that definition.

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than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Wes Groleau

On 01-09-2012 14:49, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Apple should have made available something similar; also some filestore
> analysis app. But they didn't, so we're reduced to having to do it for
> ourselves.

Oh, for cryin' out loud! MOST people who want such things buy a
computer designed for, and marketed to, people who want such things!
For example, an iMac or MacBook.

> Let's not bicker about terminology in "general-purpose PC". The iPad has
> RAM, hard disk, OS and lots of apps. It is for all the world a portable
> PC. And very pleased to have one I am. I still love it, but it's losing

Let's DO bicker about terminology: an iPad does not have a hard disk.

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salgud

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:29:42 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> In article <5gw056ahzeam$.83ex94qlge58.dlg@40tude.net>,
> salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> All this time, I've been trying to get you to killfile me, and you kill
>> him on his first appearance! Doesn't seem fair.
>
> The reason you don't get killfiled is that you want to get kill filed.

O please don't throw me in that briar patch!

Alan Browne

On 2012-01-09 15:38 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<Wp-dndjt0-ug35bSnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>> Since only one app can be in the foreground, it's active. And is not shown
>>> in the recent-apps bar.
>>
>> Definitions I guess. To me the music player is a foreground app even if
>> something else (map, browser, whatever) is "visually" in the foreground
>> and responding to gestures.
>
> By definition, only one app at a time can be a foreground app.

In computer science, multitasking OS' can have any number of foreground
programs/applications running at a time - they are forced to share the
CPU, that's all. That's where I was coming from. The iOS does this in
what I described above.


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salgud

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:23:30 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> On 2012-01-09 15:38 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article<Wp-dndjt0-ug35bSnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Alan Browne<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> Since only one app can be in the foreground, it's active. And is not shown
>>>> in the recent-apps bar.
>>>
>>> Definitions I guess. To me the music player is a foreground app even if
>>> something else (map, browser, whatever) is "visually" in the foreground
>>> and responding to gestures.
>>
>> By definition, only one app at a time can be a foreground app.
>
> In computer science, multitasking OS' can have any number of foreground
> programs/applications running at a time - they are forced to share the
> CPU, that's all. That's where I was coming from. The iOS does this in
> what I described above.

You are speaking with a fanboi. Please do not confuse her with scientific
facts - they are irrevelant in Applelonia.

nospam

In article <1t8lnyp311h63$.i0du64wtuyfx.dlg@40tude.net>, salgud
<spamboy6547@comcast.net> wrote:

> >>>> Since only one app can be in the foreground, it's active. And is not
> >>>> shown in the recent-apps bar.
> >>>
> >>> Definitions I guess. To me the music player is a foreground app even if
> >>> something else (map, browser, whatever) is "visually" in the foreground
> >>> and responding to gestures.
> >>
> >> By definition, only one app at a time can be a foreground app.
> >
> > In computer science, multitasking OS' can have any number of foreground
> > programs/applications running at a time - they are forced to share the
> > CPU, that's all. That's where I was coming from. The iOS does this in
> > what I described above.
>
> You are speaking with a fanboi. Please do not confuse her with scientific
> facts - they are irrevelant in Applelonia.

except his 'facts' are wrong. there can only be one foreground process,
but switching among multiple processes happens fast enough that it
looks like they are all running at the same time. many will be idle
waiting for user input.

Ed Cryer

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<jefgfr$kul$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>> Oh, and you still haven't said what that "System" app is.
>>>
>>
>> It's an app I got to analyse system events in iPad1. It works well.
>
> Got where? From the App Store, or did you have to jailbreak the iPad?
>
>> Apple should have made available something similar; also some filestore
>> analysis app. But they didn't, so we're reduced to having to do it for
>> ourselves.
>
> Why should Apple have made available something that a very minuscule
> portion of iPad owners would ever use?
>
>> Let's not bicker about terminology in "general-purpose PC". The iPad has
>> RAM, hard disk, OS and lots of apps. It is for all the world a portable
>> PC.
>
> Portable, yes; general purpose, no. It is not designed to be a
> general-purpose PC.
>

Well, you know what the sceptics say; that it was designed as a wee PC,
but then Apple put the locks on it in order to monopolise profits. That
is, they refused USB and such like, and tied it to iTunes and the App Store.

Ed