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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> In article <rmkt76lffbjd1eg8p3ilp2dsfnfr9r9pbc@4ax.com>,
> DevilsPGD <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
> > Interesting that VAT is included but Canadian taxes aren't disclosed
> > until much later in the purchase process.
>
> A lot depends on local laws. As I understand it, advertised prices in the
> UK must include VAT. In the US (and maybe in Canada), the advertised
price
> is the pre-tax price. That makes sense for the USA because the sales tax
> varies by state and sometimes by city. It may be the same in Canada.

In New Zealand we have a flat 12.5% Government Sales Tax (GST) rate, which
is soon going up to 15%. :-(

In advertising they are meant to state whether or not the prices include
GST. If the advert doesn't say, then it is taken that GST is included (which
could be at the business' expense if they left it off by mistake).

Larry

"Your Name" <your.name@isp.com> wrote in
news:i5nfj0$hv8$1@lust.ihug.co.nz:

>
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-820195.15565901092010@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <rmkt76lffbjd1eg8p3ilp2dsfnfr9r9pbc@4ax.com>,
>> DevilsPGD <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Interesting that VAT is included but Canadian taxes aren't
>> > disclosed until much later in the purchase process.
>>
>> A lot depends on local laws. As I understand it, advertised prices
>> in the UK must include VAT. In the US (and maybe in Canada), the
>> advertised
> price
>> is the pre-tax price. That makes sense for the USA because the sales
>> tax varies by state and sometimes by city. It may be the same in
>> Canada.
>
> In New Zealand we have a flat 12.5% Government Sales Tax (GST) rate,
> which is soon going up to 15%. :-(
>
> In advertising they are meant to state whether or not the prices
> include GST. If the advert doesn't say, then it is taken that GST is
> included (which could be at the business' expense if they left it off
> by mistake).
>
>
>
>

Just curious....Do they tax you for making money or just spending it?

Here in South Carolinastan we pay Federal Income Tax up to 35%, state
income tax up to about 7% when we make money. Then, when we spend money
we pay the state 6% sales tax, like your GST, plus 1 to 3% local
city/county sales taxes on top of that. If you take into account that
the price of the product has the taxes of the manufacturer, distribution
organizations and merchants buried into it, plus your own making and
spending taxes, the taxes on everything in South Carolinastan is about
90% of your paycheck.

We're very good at burying taxes. Our cable TV and electricity bills
from other corporations have a 4% "franchise fee" added to them, paid to
the city for allowing the cable and electric companies to have a monopoly
on selling us service. Our electricity bills have a "tax" forced upon us
to pay for the street lights in the neighborhood down the street.
There's no light in my yard, but I pay for theirs. Fuel taxes for petrol
is 34.8UScents per US gallon, about 4 litres. It goes on and on......

There's a "flat tax" movement but it will never happen as it would reduce
our taxes from 90% to 10-15% and starve bureaucrats at all
levels.....impossible.

Doug Anderson

Larry <noone@home.com> writes:

> "Your Name" <your.name@isp.com> wrote in
> news:i5nfj0$hv8$1@lust.ihug.co.nz:
>
> >
> > "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> > news:michelle-820195.15565901092010@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> In article <rmkt76lffbjd1eg8p3ilp2dsfnfr9r9pbc@4ax.com>,
> >> DevilsPGD <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Interesting that VAT is included but Canadian taxes aren't
> >> > disclosed until much later in the purchase process.
> >>
> >> A lot depends on local laws. As I understand it, advertised prices
> >> in the UK must include VAT. In the US (and maybe in Canada), the
> >> advertised
> > price
> >> is the pre-tax price. That makes sense for the USA because the sales
> >> tax varies by state and sometimes by city. It may be the same in
> >> Canada.
> >
> > In New Zealand we have a flat 12.5% Government Sales Tax (GST) rate,
> > which is soon going up to 15%. :-(
> >
> > In advertising they are meant to state whether or not the prices
> > include GST. If the advert doesn't say, then it is taken that GST is
> > included (which could be at the business' expense if they left it off
> > by mistake).
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Just curious....Do they tax you for making money or just spending it?
>
> Here in South Carolinastan we pay Federal Income Tax up to 35%, state
> income tax up to about 7% when we make money. Then, when we spend money
> we pay the state 6% sales tax, like your GST, plus 1 to 3% local
> city/county sales taxes on top of that. If you take into account that
> the price of the product has the taxes of the manufacturer, distribution
> organizations and merchants buried into it, plus your own making and
> spending taxes, the taxes on everything in South Carolinastan is about
> 90% of your paycheck.

I realize you are insane, but just in case our correspondent from New
Zealand doesn't realize it:

a) almost no one pays anything close to 35% of their income to the
Federal Government. In fact, the 35% is the _marginal_ tax rate on
adjusted income past $372,951.

The actual average percentage of income paid in federal tax (for those
who pay more than nothing) is under 13%.

(See, for example, http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html )

b) Even if your 35% wasn't roughly three times too high, and even if
you simply added together all the percentages you list, you get
nowhere near the 90% figure you mention.

c) You actually leave out FICA, which is a substantial federal tax,
but still doesn't get you anywhere near 35%.

>
> We're very good at burying taxes. Our cable TV and electricity bills
> from other corporations have a 4% "franchise fee" added to them, paid to
> the city for allowing the cable and electric companies to have a monopoly
> on selling us service. Our electricity bills have a "tax" forced upon us
> to pay for the street lights in the neighborhood down the street.
> There's no light in my yard, but I pay for theirs. Fuel taxes for petrol
> is 34.8UScents per US gallon, about 4 litres. It goes on and on......
>
> There's a "flat tax" movement but it will never happen as it would reduce
> our taxes from 90% to 10-15% and starve bureaucrats at all
> levels.....impossible.

d) A truly flat federal tax at 15% would give the federal government more
money from income tax than they get now.

So the reason this isn't happening is more complicated than that it
would starve bureacrats.

Your Name

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I realize you are insane, but just in case our correspondent from New
> Zealand doesn't realize it:

Nobody on the planet is dumb enough to actually believe a word Loser Larry
posts ... except himself of course. :-\

Michelle Steiner

In article <i5p454$h0g$2@lust.ihug.co.nz>, "Your Name" <your.name@isp.com>
wrote:

> Nobody on the planet is dumb enough to actually believe a word Loser
> Larry posts ... except himself of course. :-\

Oh, there are others, "news" for instance.

--
Check out the Hot Cocoa Party
<http://www.hotcocoaparty.info>

Your Name

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Your Name" <your.name@isp.com> wrote in
> news:i5nfj0$hv8$1@lust.ihug.co.nz:
> >
> > In New Zealand we have a flat 12.5% Government Sales Tax (GST) rate,
> > which is soon going up to 15%. :-(
> >
> > In advertising they are meant to state whether or not the prices
> > include GST. If the advert doesn't say, then it is taken that GST is
> > included (which could be at the business' expense if they left it off
> > by mistake).
>
> Just curious....Do they tax you for making money or just spending it?

Like most countries, the greedy New Zealand Governement takes about 110% of
a personal and business income disguised as various taxes. Just off the top
of my had, there's:

- Income Tax at various rates depending on the income level, and
includes interest earned from savings, etc. We did get these rates
lowered this year, but of course those on obscene incomes win
while those on lower income lose out thanks the increasing GST.

- Import duty on most products (even if importing personally when
over a certain amount).

- GST, similar to VAT, on almost every service or product you buy
(with the exception of small sellers / companies who make less
than a certain amount per year), currently 12.5%, but going up to
15% on 1 October.

- Extra taxes on some products, e.g. cigarettes, alcohol, petrol, etc.
(Plus charging GST on this tax.)

- Tax included in licensing / registering a vehicle, as well as a road
user tax for things like big trucks. (Again, charging GST on this
tax.)

- Annual local / regional government tax (called "Rates" based on
the value of your house / building and land.

- ACC (a sort-of enforced health insurance) charges automatically
taken out of wages, as well as charges added to vehicle
licensing costs.

- Tolls on a few roads and motorways / highways (which most
people of course than avoid using).

No doubt there's more I've forgotten, and they're also now on about an
enforced retirement scheme coming out of people's wages as well.

And for this "pleasure" we get sub-standard public transport, inefficient
roading system sub-standard hospitals, sub-standard schools, no longer have
night-school / community education classes, under funded services (fire,
ambulance, police), etc., etc. because, again like most countries, far too
much of that money goes into paying obscene salaries and perks for
Government.

Larry

"Your Name" <your.name@isp.com> wrote in
news:i5p5cf$hmh$1@lust.ihug.co.nz:

> No doubt there's more I've forgotten, and they're also now on about an
> enforced retirement scheme coming out of people's wages as well.
>
> And for this "pleasure" we get sub-standard public transport,
> inefficient roading system sub-standard hospitals, sub-standard
> schools, no longer have night-school / community education classes,
> under funded services (fire, ambulance, police), etc., etc. because,
> again like most countries, far too much of that money goes into paying
> obscene salaries and perks for Government.
>
>

Yeah, yours is as bad as ours. Ours is just bigger because we have more
payers.....

My condolences. NZ is a beautiful place. The guy who wrote the client
software for Livestation is from NZ and we became friends. He sends me
the most beautiful pictures of the place.

When globe.gov takes over as World Government, we'll have the same
taxes...everything we make...and they'll give us back just enough to keep
us from starving as long as we serve the elite in some useful way until
our age or infirmity requires us to be "neutralized" to "save the
planet". Everyone will be in the same boat so far removed from
government that government won't care what you do as they'll all be
untouchable.

I'm glad I'm old. I pity the kids who must live through it. One of
them, here, is 5 on Friday. I got her present today, a plastic horse set
that's all the fad in the elementary school set. I'm watching her grow
up....with her 4 siblings, kids of some friends. I try not to think of
their future, but sometimes you just can't help but be concerned over it.

Your Name

From MacRumors.com ...

Apple Confirms No Software Update for Original Apple TV
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Included in a nice overview of Apple's new iPods and Apple TV
from Ars Technica is confirmation that users of Apple's earlier
Apple TV models will not be receiving a software upgrade to
enable Netflix streaming and other software features of the
revamped model. Users of the older models will, however,
continue to be able to purchase content, as opposed to the
rental-only model for the new version, which lacks significant
onboard storage.

Additionally, there will be no software update to
bring the new features to older Apple TVs. Older
Apple TVs will continue to work as they have
been working up to this point, and they will
continue to be able to purchase movies and TV
shows even though the new Apple TV is rental-only.

Apple first offered a sneak peak of the Apple TV, then known
by its code-name of "iTV", in September 2006. The device was
officially announced at Macworld San Francisco in January
2007, and began shipping as a 40 GB model in March 2007
with a 160 GB model following just two months later. The
hardware had remained unchanged since that time aside from
the discontinuation of the 40 GB model in September 2009,
although Apple has offered several software updates over the
years to increase the functionality of the device.

Marc Stibane

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Fuel taxes for petrol
> is 34.8UScents per US gallon, about 4 litres.

In Germany, we pay about 70 EuroCent fuel tax - per litre. Plus 19% VAT
on the end price of the bill.
So currently 1 litre of 95 octan fuel is about ¤1.50, which computes to
more than 7.50$ per gallon.

--
In a world without walls and fences,
who needs windows and gates?

Larry

spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) wrote in
news:1jon7mb.1a7gyp71izmzjuN@marc.my-fqdn.de:

> In Germany, we pay about 70 EuroCent fuel tax - per litre. Plus 19% VAT
> on the end price of the bill.
> So currently 1 litre of 95 octan fuel is about Ï1.50, which computes to
> more than 7.50$ per gallon.
>
>

Isn't socialized medicine wonderful?!