Michelle Steiner

<http://www.theonion.com/articles/las...the-fuck-he-wa
s-doing,26268/>

CUPERTINO, CA—Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computers and
the only American in the country who had any clue what the fuck he was
doing, died Wednesday at the age of 56. "We haven't just lost a great
innovator, leader, and businessman, we've literally lost the only person in
this country who actually had his shit together and knew what the hell was
going on," a statement from President Barack Obama read in part, adding
that Jobs will be remembered both for the life-changing products he created
and for the fact that he was able to sit down, think clearly, and execute
his ideas—attributes he shared with no other U.S. citizen. "This is a dark
time for our country, because the reality is none of the 300 million or so
Americans who remain can actually get anything done or make things happen.
Those days are over." Obama added that if anyone could fill the void left
by Jobs it would probably be himself, but said that at this point he
honestly doesn’t have the slightest notion what he’s doing anymore.

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On 10/6/2011 3:26 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> <http://www.theonion.com/articles/las...the-fuck-he-wa
> s-doing,26268/>
>
> CUPERTINO, CA—Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computers and
> the only American in the country who had any clue what the fuck he was
> doing, died Wednesday at the age of 56. "We haven't just lost a great
> innovator, leader, and businessman, we've literally lost the only person in
> this country who actually had his shit together and knew what the hell was
> going on," a statement from President Barack Obama read in part, adding
> that Jobs will be remembered both for the life-changing products he created
> and for the fact that he was able to sit down, think clearly, and execute
> his ideas—attributes he shared with no other U.S. citizen. "This is a dark
> time for our country, because the reality is none of the 300 million or so
> Americans who remain can actually get anything done or make things happen.
> Those days are over." Obama added that if anyone could fill the void left
> by Jobs it would probably be himself, but said that at this point he
> honestly doesn’t have the slightest notion what he’s doing anymore.
>


Note to layout: Don't get the "America loses Jobs" story mixed up with
the "America loses jobs" story on the same page.

sean_q

On 10/6/2011 11:26 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> CUPERTINO, CA—Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computers and
> the only American in the country who had any clue...

The US was founded by visionaries such as Benjamin Franklin.

Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the GNP's of
over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a celebrity.

SQ

Michelle Steiner

In article <PpPjq.3519$Gy7.2353@newsfe16.iad>, sean_q <no.spam@no.spam>
wrote:

> Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
> the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the GNP's of
> over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a celebrity.

Got evidence that he's admired, let alone one of the most admired?

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Matthew Russotto

In article <PpPjq.3519$Gy7.2353@newsfe16.iad>, sean_q <no.spam@no.spam> wrote:
>On 10/6/2011 11:26 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> CUPERTINO, CA—Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computers and
>> the only American in the country who had any clue...
>
>The US was founded by visionaries such as Benjamin Franklin.
>
>Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
>the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the GNP's of
>over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a celebrity.

So was Benedict Arnold.
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someone with less ability and more need.

Bert

In news:PpPjq.3519$Gy7.2353@newsfe16.iad sean_q <no.spam@no.spam> wrote:

> Bernard Madoff, the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the
> GNP's of over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a celebrity.
>

Maybe you haven't noticed, but Madoff is in prison, and will likely die
there.

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sean_q

On 10/8/2011 4:23 AM, Bert wrote:

>> Bernard Madoff, the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the
>> GNP's of over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a celebrity.
>>
>
> Maybe you haven't noticed, but Madoff is in prison, and will likely die
> there.

I noticed. He's due for release on November 14, 2139.
But that's not relevant to his celebrity status.

SQ

sean_q

On 10/7/2011 7:45 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:

>> Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
>
> Got evidence that he's admired, let alone one of the most admired?

No evidence, but I believe it. Sure, lots of people may publicly
deplore what he did and yet secretly admire him. Naturally something
like that can't exactly be measured so how could I produce evidence?
But just think of it, the sheer, brazen cojones on the guy!

And look at the way Bonnie and Clyde were glamorized
in the 1967 film. Especially that unforgettable scene with
stylishly dressed Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty in a small cabin
being fired on with machine guns. Does she ever look sexy as she
jumps around, terrified and at the same time full of battle lust.

That's living life to the max. A brief career of excitement and then
go down in a blaze of glory; so much better than a long, dreary
existence. This film inspired others. It's part of the culture.

SQ

Bert Hyman

In news:c2Yjq.1408$ma7.941@newsfe19.iad sean_q <no.spam@no.spam> wrote:

> On 10/8/2011 4:23 AM, Bert wrote:
>
>>> Bernard Madoff, the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the
>>> GNP's of over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a
>>> celebrity.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe you haven't noticed, but Madoff is in prison, and will likely
>> die there.
>
> I noticed. He's due for release on November 14, 2139.
> But that's not relevant to his celebrity status.

There's a difference between "celebrity" and "infamy."

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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

Alan Browne

On 2011-10-08 10:43 , sean_q wrote:
> On 10/7/2011 7:45 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>>> Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
> >
>> Got evidence that he's admired, let alone one of the most admired?
>
> No evidence, but I believe it. Sure, lots of people may publicly
> deplore what he did and yet secretly admire him. Naturally something
> like that can't exactly be measured so how could I produce evidence?
> But just think of it, the sheer, brazen cojones on the guy!

I doubt it. He destroyed a lot of wealth, in some cases the life
savings of people and families.

We all love a heist movie where some charming gang rips off a bank
(typically one that has a nasty boss) or a casino or some such. That's
fantasy.

I doubt he had sheer, brazen anything - just the realization that he
could get away with a monster shell game for a long time. Time ran out.
And on at least 2 occasions the SEC (and/or other authorities) were a
whiskers breadth from investigating him based on tips or suggestions
from people who knew that his "results" defied investment and financial
reality.

Madoff is not admired by anyone who counts.

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