Paul Murphy

On 2011-10-08 10:43:37 -0400, sean_q <no.spam@no.spam> said:

> On 10/7/2011 7:45 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>>> Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
> >
>> Got evidence that he's admired, let alone one of the most admired?
>
> No evidence, but I believe it. Sure, lots of people may publicly
> deplore what he did and yet secretly admire him. Naturally something
> like that can't exactly be measured so how could I produce evidence?
> But just think of it, the sheer, brazen cojones on the guy!
>
> And look at the way Bonnie and Clyde were glamorized
> in the 1967 film. Especially that unforgettable scene with
> stylishly dressed Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty in a small cabin
> being fired on with machine guns. Does she ever look sexy as she
> jumps around, terrified and at the same time full of battle lust.
>
> That's living life to the max. A brief career of excitement and then
> go down in a blaze of glory; so much better than a long, dreary
> existence. This film inspired others. It's part of the culture.
>
> SQ

With 38 years of law enforcement experience, I saw a number of people
with a "brief career of excitement and then go down in a blaze of
glory." They didn't inspire others, and I saw no signs of bravery
unless they were in situations where they had automatic weapons and the
people they opposed were unarmed. They didn't "inspire others" or
appear glamorous until the writers came along. They were a sad, sorry
lot, unable to face up to life and get something done, even the simple
dignity of getting a job and doing it well."

Admire Bernie Madoff? For what? Because thousands of families face
retirement in poverty because he stole 30 years of savings? And did he
do anything useful with what he stole? Did he contribute to a charity?
Pay for the medical treatment of a street musician with pneumonia? Give
a waitressing college student a scholarship? No. He bought cars and
houses and jewelry, and fed the rest into his con. If you find him
admirable for cojones, I suggest you go down to your local police
station or fire department and shake some hands.

Paul

Tim McNamara

In article <c2Yjq.1408$ma7.941@newsfe19.iad>, sean_q <no.spam@no.spam>
wrote:

> On 10/8/2011 4:23 AM, Bert wrote:
>
> >> Bernard Madoff, the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than
> >> the GNP's of over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a
> >> celebrity.
> >>
> >
> > Maybe you haven't noticed, but Madoff is in prison, and will likely
> > die there.
>
> I noticed. He's due for release on November 14, 2139. But that's not
> relevant to his celebrity status.


I think you're confusing infamy with fame. He is well-known but nearly
universally reviled.

--
Your time is limited. Don't waste it living someone else's life.

Steve Jobs 1955-2011

Wes Groleau

On 10-08-2011 10:14, sean_q wrote:
> On 10/8/2011 4:23 AM, Bert wrote:
>>> Bernard Madoff, the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the
>>> GNP's of over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a celebrity.
>>
>> Maybe you haven't noticed, but Madoff is in prison, and will likely die
>> there.
>
> I noticed. He's due for release on November 14, 2139.
> But that's not relevant to his celebrity status.

Celebrity? This thread is the first time I've seen or
heard the name since the day after his sentencing.
How long ago was that?

--
Wes Groleau

There are two types of people in the world …
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Howard Brazee

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 06:43:37 -0800, sean_q <no.spam@no.spam> wrote:

>>> Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
> >
>> Got evidence that he's admired, let alone one of the most admired?
>
>No evidence, but I believe it. Sure, lots of people may publicly
>deplore what he did and yet secretly admire him. Naturally something
>like that can't exactly be measured so how could I produce evidence?
>But just think of it, the sheer, brazen cojones on the guy!

Ahh, that says something about you. It says something different
about me that I don't believe it.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

paris2venice

On Oct 8, 7:43*am, sean_q <no.s...@no.spam> wrote:
> On 10/7/2011 7:45 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Now who is one of the most admired Americans? Bernard Madoff,
>
> > Got evidence that he's admired, let alone one of the most admired?
>
> No evidence, but I believe it. Sure, lots of people may publicly
> deplore what he did and yet secretly admire him. Naturally something
> like that can't exactly be measured so how could I produce evidence?
> But just think of it, the sheer, brazen cojones on the guy!
>
> And look at the way Bonnie and Clyde were glamorized
> in the 1967 film. Especially that unforgettable scene with
> stylishly dressed Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty in a small cabin
> being fired on with machine guns. Does she ever look sexy as she
> jumps around, terrified and at the same time full of battle lust.
>
> That's living life to the max. A brief career of excitement and then
> go down in a blaze of glory; so much better than a long, dreary
> existence. This film inspired others. It's part of the culture.
>
> SQ

Translation: SQ had a vague notion that Madoff was a celebrity so
that made it true.

Simon Dobbs

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:46:36 +0100, Bert Hyman wrote
(in article <Xns9F788C250FFE8VeebleFetzer@216.250.188.140>):

> In news:c2Yjq.1408$ma7.941@newsfe19.iad sean_q <no.spam@no.spam> wrote:
>
>> On 10/8/2011 4:23 AM, Bert wrote:
>>
>>>> Bernard Madoff, the man who stole $65 BILLION! That's more than the
>>>> GNP's of over half the world's nations, and yet the guy's a
>>>> celebrity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you haven't noticed, but Madoff is in prison, and will likely
>>> die there.
>>
>> I noticed. He's due for release on November 14, 2139.
>> But that's not relevant to his celebrity status.
>
> There's a difference between "celebrity" and "infamy."
>
>

Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it infamy

monty python

musika

Simon Dobbs wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:46:36 +0100, Bert Hyman wrote
> (in article <Xns9F788C250FFE8VeebleFetzer@216.250.188.140>):
>> There's a difference between "celebrity" and "infamy."
>
> Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it infamy
>
> monty python

Actually, Kenny Williams in "Carry on Cleo".
--
Ray
UK