JF Mezei

http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...MOTOROLA-US-EN

Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.

Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.


Meanwhile, Blackberry unveiled "BBX" its new operating system which is
to be a blend of QNX and the current Blackberry OS. (QNX was to have
been their new OS so it seems they changed direction).



While blackberry is no threath to Apple, I think that a proliferation of
LTE capable phones will cause some marketing headaches at Apple.

My guess is that an LTE iphone will be annouced in first half of 2012.

Doug Anderson

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:

> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...MOTOROLA-US-EN
>
> Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.
>
> Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
> notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.

I'm not sure if that is an actual notion. I think conventional wisdom
(maybe Apple has even said this - I'm not sure) is that they _could_
have put LTE in the iPhone, but that they didn't like the battery life
hit that would produce at this point.

So what they want is a lower power LTE chip before doing this.
I

Alan Browne

On 2011-10-18 13:28 , JF Mezei wrote:
> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...MOTOROLA-US-EN
>
> Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.
>
> Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
> notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.
>
>
> Meanwhile, Blackberry unveiled "BBX" its new operating system which is
> to be a blend of QNX and the current Blackberry OS. (QNX was to have
> been their new OS so it seems they changed direction).
>
>
>
> While blackberry is no threath to Apple, I think that a proliferation of
> LTE capable phones will cause some marketing headaches at Apple.
>
> My guess is that an LTE iphone will be annouced in first half of 2012.

LTE is not widely deployed as of yet and that probably figured into
Apple's plans. (Yes there is LTE out there - but it is not that
widespread yet - though late 2011 and 2012 will see it more widely
deployed).

IIRC from summaries of the Cook presentation of the iPhone 4S, Apple has
managed to double data rates over the iPhone 4 in any case.

This way, all those 4S buyers get to buy iPhone 6 next year...

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Your Name

In article <4e9db755$0$2924$c3e8da3$2e0018d8@news.astraweb.co m>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...MOTOROLA-US-EN
>
> Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.
>
> Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
> notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.
>
> Meanwhile, Blackberry unveiled "BBX" its new operating system which is
> to be a blend of QNX and the current Blackberry OS. (QNX was to have
> been their new OS so it seems they changed direction).
>
> While blackberry is no threath to Apple, I think that a proliferation of
> LTE capable phones will cause some marketing headaches at Apple.
>
> My guess is that an LTE iphone will be annouced in first half of 2012.

Nope. The annual iPhone releases are now in September / October and
there's no reason for Apple to change that. Apple simply doesn't work that
way, plus LTE networks aren't widespread enough yet.

nospam

In article
<yourname-1910110906580001@203-118-184-156.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <yourname@yourisp.com> wrote:

> Nope. The annual iPhone releases are now in September / October and
> there's no reason for Apple to change that. Apple simply doesn't work that
> way, plus LTE networks aren't widespread enough yet.

there has only been one iphone release in october which is not enough
to determine if they have really switched or this is a one time delay.
we'll know next summer if it is a permanent change or not, maybe even
sooner.

Your Name

In article <181020111408368719%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <yourname-1910110906580001@203-118-184-156.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <yourname@yourisp.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nope. The annual iPhone releases are now in September / October and
> > there's no reason for Apple to change that. Apple simply doesn't work that
> > way, plus LTE networks aren't widespread enough yet.
>
> there has only been one iphone release in october which is not enough
> to determine if they have really switched or this is a one time delay.
> we'll know next summer if it is a permanent change or not, maybe even
> sooner.

Yes, there has only been one iPhone released in the new scheduled timeslot
.... but (with the exception of the GSM iPhone) there has only ever been
one iPhone release per year. There has also only ever been one iPad
release per year, one iPod release per year ... sensing a pattern yet?

Apple has no good reason to do multiple iPhone releases per year and it
would be idiotically stupid for them to do so.

nospam

In article
<yourname-1910111325380001@203-118-184-242.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <yourname@yourisp.com> wrote:

> > > Nope. The annual iPhone releases are now in September / October and
> > > there's no reason for Apple to change that. Apple simply doesn't work that
> > > way, plus LTE networks aren't widespread enough yet.
> >
> > there has only been one iphone release in october which is not enough
> > to determine if they have really switched or this is a one time delay.
> > we'll know next summer if it is a permanent change or not, maybe even
> > sooner.
>
> Yes, there has only been one iPhone released in the new scheduled timeslot
> ... but (with the exception of the GSM iPhone) there has only ever been
> one iPhone release per year.

the original iphone was announced in january and shipped in june, with
its successors in june/july, all once per year.

this is the only time it's not been on that schedule. it might revert
back to the summer with the next iphone, or it might not. no way to
know right now.

> There has also only ever been one iPad
> release per year, one iPod release per year ... sensing a pattern yet?

there have only been two ipads, 11 months apart.

as for ipods, there definitely have been releases more than once a
year, although not so much lately because ipods are not the cash cow
they once were. they didn't even change anything this year. just a
couple of silly watch faces you can get via a software update.

> Apple has no good reason to do multiple iPhone releases per year and it
> would be idiotically stupid for them to do so.

yes they do, because of the plethora of android devices coming out
almost daily.

Todd Allcock

At 19 Oct 2011 09:06:58 +1300 Your Name wrote:
> In article <4e9db755$0$2924$c3e8da3$2e0018d8@news.astraweb.co m>, JF
Mezei
> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...r-Product-and-
Services/Mobile-Phones/DROID-RAZR-BY-MOTOROLA-US-EN
> >
> > Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.
> >
> > Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
> > notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.
> >
> > Meanwhile, Blackberry unveiled "BBX" its new operating system which is
> > to be a blend of QNX and the current Blackberry OS. (QNX was to have
> > been their new OS so it seems they changed direction).
> >
> > While blackberry is no threath to Apple, I think that a proliferation
of
> > LTE capable phones will cause some marketing headaches at Apple.
> >
> > My guess is that an LTE iphone will be annouced in first half of 2012.
>
> Nope. The annual iPhone releases are now in September / October and
> there's no reason for Apple to change that. Apple simply doesn't work
that
> way...

They "worked that way" enough to move the release from the original July
to the current Oictober. Who says they'll never move it back or up?

One could easily argue they moved things around solely for Verizon in the
USA. Apple uncharacteristically brought out a secondary (CDMA) iPhone 4
"off-schedule" (January?) and may have delayed the 4S this year
specifically to have spared Verizon the embarrassment of consumer
backlash from the "new improved" model being released just 6 months
later. (Yes, I realize its a big world and my view is very US-centric,
but Apple is very US-centric as well!)


> ...plus LTE networks aren't widespread enough yet.

That I agree with.

Todd Allcock

At 18 Oct 2011 13:28:51 -0400 JF Mezei wrote:

> Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.
>
> Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
> notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.

I don't think anyone thought Apple "couldn't."

Honestly, except perhaps for tethering, I don't really see the point of
LTE this early in the game, except maybe for bragging rights. As mobile
operators run screaming from unlimited plans, higher connection speeds
just mean you can use up your monthly data allotment in a day instead of
a week!

Seriously, what tasks do you currently perform on the phone that 3G isn't
fast enough for? (In fact, I've only had a 3G phone for a year. EDGE
was good enough for me most times, and generally still is.)


> Meanwhile, Blackberry unveiled "BBX" its new operating system which is
> to be a blend of QNX and the current Blackberry OS. (QNX was to have
> been their new OS so it seems they changed direction).
>
>
>
> While blackberry is no threath to Apple, I think that a proliferation of
> LTE capable phones will cause some marketing headaches at Apple.

You realize this the same Apple that successfully launched a 2G iPhone in
2007, when 3G was deployed to a far greater extent than LTE is today.

Sure, the tech writers and geeks might give Apple a little grief, but to
Joe Consumer, "LTE" is just more alphabet soup.

> My guess is that an LTE iphone will be annouced in first half of 2012.

The next iPhone will likely have it, when LTE chipsets are even smaller,
cheaper, and more efficient.

I'd argue that bleeding-edge tech like LTE is far more important to the
success of Android devices, which compete against other Android devices
from other manufacturers, (as well as cater to a geekier, more tech-savvy
demographic) than to the iPhone, that really has no competition inside
its own ecosystem.

Make no mistake- the mobile market is now a war of ecosystems, not devices.

It takes geometric improvements to pull users away from one ecosystem
towards another. Even if the Droid RAZR (really? Moto is so starved for
a winner they had to resurrect the "RAZR" name?) is a "better" device
than the iPhone 4S, how much better would it have to be to convince iOS
users to abandon the investment, both financial and mental, in iOS for
Android?

Your Name

In article <j7ljld$uq7$2@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> At 19 Oct 2011 09:06:58 +1300 Your Name wrote:
> > In article <4e9db755$0$2924$c3e8da3$2e0018d8@news.astraweb.co m>, JF
> Mezei
> > <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...r-Product-and-
> Services/Mobile-Phones/DROID-RAZR-BY-MOTOROLA-US-EN
> > >
> > > Droid Razr (Razr in Canada). Has LTE support.
> > >
> > > Its technical specs not available yet. But it seems to discredit the
> > > notion that Apple couldn't have put LTE in its iPhone.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, Blackberry unveiled "BBX" its new operating system which is
> > > to be a blend of QNX and the current Blackberry OS. (QNX was to have
> > > been their new OS so it seems they changed direction).
> > >
> > > While blackberry is no threath to Apple, I think that a proliferation
> > > of LTE capable phones will cause some marketing headaches at Apple.
> > >
> > > My guess is that an LTE iphone will be annouced in first half of 2012.
> >
> > Nope. The annual iPhone releases are now in September / October and
> > there's no reason for Apple to change that. Apple simply doesn't work
> > that way...
>
> They "worked that way" enough to move the release from the original July
> to the current Oictober. Who says they'll never move it back or up?

Apple moved the iPhone reslease in their schedule to get it away from the
Developer Conference so that event could concentrate on software like it's
supposed to.



> One could easily argue they moved things around solely for Verizon in the
> USA. Apple uncharacteristically brought out a secondary (CDMA) iPhone 4
> "off-schedule" (January?) and may have delayed the 4S this year
> specifically to have spared Verizon the embarrassment of consumer
> backlash from the "new improved" model being released just 6 months
> later. (Yes, I realize its a big world and my view is very US-centric,
> but Apple is very US-centric as well!)

The CDMA iPhone was a one-off. Now that it's a "world phone", there's no
need for two (or more) releases per year.

Apple likes to keep things simple and has an almost definable schedule for
most of its product releases. They are unlikely to go back to the "bad old
days" of confused multiple products and willy-nilly releases.

What some people here don't understand is that Apple simply doesn't work
in the same way as all the greedy comanies in "big business" ... they
Think Different.



> > ...plus LTE networks aren't widespread enough yet.
>
> That I agree with.

Plus the chips aren't small wnough / low power hungry enough yet.