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In message <33jho.62284$6o7.46456@newsfe21.iad> Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> was claimed to have wrote:

>I'm guessing JF had one of the SE Cybershot camera phones. For a while
>now Sony has been offering a line of phones with "real" P&S cameras in
>them- mechanical focus, xenon flash, decent lenses, etc. They're to
>cameras what the iPhone is to iPods- a (relatively low-end) P&S first,
>and phone second.

Even if it wasn't a SE Cybershot, Sony has had some pretty impressive
cameras for a while now. Prior to my iPhone I had a Sony w810i, and
despite technically being a 2.0Mp camera it put out some of the best
pictures I'd seen in a camera phone to date.

It was fast, pictures were sharp, worked in varying lighting conditions,
decent colour balance, and surprisingly little grain/noise.

This phone is obviously somewhat dated now, but at the time I stopped
carrying a point and shoot and replaced it with that phone and even
today I'd probably take it over the iPhone 3GS' camera.

Borg

Larry wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in news:michelle-
> D86DCD.19380406092010@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Oh, Larry would cheer Apple if it had donated anything to Hamas. Larry
>> hates Israel and Jews.
>>
>>
>
> Damn! I just came from a Livestation chat room and it was the MUSLIMS
> all pissed because I asked why a few million Muslims praying 8 times a
> day for Allah to stop the rains drowning Pakistan....never delivers on
> any prayers no matter how many millions pray no matter how many times a
> day...... Aljazeera just had another alert of more flooding!
>
> Why is Pakistan, a very devout religious country, drowning in floods any
> ol' powerful, all-seeing god could stop with the flick of his mouse
> finger?
>
> Man, that got 'em hoppin' mad! You're not supposed to ask questions
> like, "Why can't god grow a new leg?"
>
> No questions that require a real answer are permitted!
>
>
>
> Damned atheists, anyways....
>
>


Its because ALL Gods and religion it utter bollox and doesn't exist.

Todd Allcock

At 06 Sep 2010 10:35:41 -0500 Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <4c840b84$0$5980$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >
> > > The overly-saturated too-high-contrast photos taken by the iPhone
aren't
> > > fault of faulty hardware of software. Someone deliberately "tuned"
it
> > > that way to create "punchy" photos. If Jobs said otherwise, he was
being
> > > a bit less than truthful.
> >
> > I've wondered about that. My old Sony Ericsson phone took better
> > pictures, albeit only 3 megapixels. (and had a real flash, although
the
> > LED light can be used when taking movies on the iphone).
>
> My Sony Ericsson took absolutely HORRIBLE pictures in comparison.


Depends on the phone- my SE Xperia X1 takes pretty crummy pictures as well,
but it's not surprising- the phone is actually built for Sony by HTC, who
wouldn't recognize a good camera if it jumped up and slapped them. In
full daylight with subjects that don't move it can take a barely
acceptable picture. Other than that, it's pathetic. The SE Cybershot
phones I've played with, however, do a pretty darn nice job, particularly
for a cell phone, and could standup well to low-end P&S cameras (without
analog zooms.)

Mike Jacoubowsky

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:050920101513092416%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <pKKdnW95EaUzSB7RnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@earthlink.com> , Mike
> Jacoubowsky <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>> The overly-saturated too-high-contrast photos taken by the iPhone
>> aren't
>> fault of faulty hardware of software. Someone deliberately "tuned" it
>> that way to create "punchy" photos. If Jobs said otherwise, he was
>> being
>> a bit less than truthful.
>
> nope. it's the result of limited dynamic range due to the very small
> pixels. it's basic physics, not jobs twisting of things.

Apparently not. The 3GS and 4G both have 1.75micron pixel size
(http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...hutterbugs.ars),
but the 3GS seems to have a better time with highlight areas. The 3G
used a 2.2micron pixel size. Neither of those are bleeding-edge; 1.4 is
common, and 1.1 is making its rounds.

>> For quick & dirty snapshots viewed on other phones, the iPhone camera
>> does a great job. But if you want to actually do something with the
>> picture, that's where the current contrast settings get in the way.
>> Small details simply disappear. Stil, it's a huge improvement over
>> the
>> camera in the earlier iPhones.
>
> that's what happens when dynamic range is limited.

That *is* true. Whether by software or hardware.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com