Chris Pisarra

I upgraded my phone to IOS 5, and set it up to sync to iCloud

So how do I keep my laptop, which is where I always synced the phone
before, up to date? Am I supposed to sync to the laptop as well as the
cloud? Is there some way the cloud syncs to the laptop?

and why do I have as many as 4 copies of each appointment on both the
phone and in the cloud?

I know all this will work out in time, I'd just like it to be soon.

Thanks

chris

jc

On Oct 16, 11:35*pm, "Chris Pisarra" <Ch...@Pisarra.com> wrote:
> * * I upgraded my phone to IOS 5, and set it up to sync to iCloud
>
> * * So how do I keep my laptop, which is where I always synced the phone
> before, up to date? *Am I supposed to sync to the laptop as well as the
> cloud? *Is there some way the cloud syncs to the laptop?
>
> * * and why do I have as many as 4 copies of each appointment on boththe
> phone and in the cloud?
>
> * * I know all this will work out in time, I'd just like it to be soon.
>
> * * * * Thanks
>
> * * * * * * * * chris

I don't know how you end up with 4, but right after you sync, you'll
have two of existing events, because
it copies everything to the cloud and then shows both the local copy
and the cloud version. You
get rid (the display) of one by going to the "calendars" tab and
unselecting one of them. You'll probably find
the other copies are archived calendars, which can also be
unselected. If you want to use
the cloud, it should be the only calendar(s) selected for display.

As for your laptop, if it's a Mac, then if everything's up to date,
iCal should sync to iCloud. If
it's a PC, you can download the iCloud control panel to sync Outlook
to iCloud
http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/pc.html
*if* you have Vista or 7.

If you have XP, then as far as I can tell there's no way to do it and
the best thing is to turn off
iCloud calendar syncing and keep doing the way you did before. That
means selecting only
the local version for display on your iPhone.

If you create events, they now default to the cloud only. If (for the
reasons above) you can't use the cloud
the only way I could find to keep things from defaulting there was to
turn it off in the settings of
your iPhone. Otherwise, you create new events and (because you've
deselected the iCloud view), they
appear to vanish.

-jc

Alan Browne

On 2011-10-17 08:27 , jc wrote:

> the cloud, it should be the only calendar(s) selected for display.

This is a failing in iCloud/Calendar sync IMO. It should show redundant
copies as a single entry with, perhaps, a symbol indicating a copy in
the cloud version.

One really loses the notion of the "master copy" when the cloud is used.

I want the master copy to be the one on my Mac. If I make additions on
my iPhone they should flow to the Mac.
If I make deletions on the iPhone they should flow to the Mac with a
request to confirm.
Deletions on the Mac should flow out to the iPhone and cloud.

And the user should have control over determining and setting the
"master copy". If there is such control, other than avoiding the
"backup to the cloud" option in iTunes, I don't see what it is.

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jc

On Oct 17, 9:05*am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
wrote:
> On 2011-10-17 08:27 , jc wrote:
>
> > the cloud, it should be the only calendar(s) selected for display.
>
> This is a failing in iCloud/Calendar sync IMO. *It should show redundant
> copies as a single entry with, perhaps, a symbol indicating a copy in
> the cloud version.
>

Uh oh, you're about to get flamed for suggesting maybe Apple did
something wrong

Anyway, I at least wish it would have warned me and given me the
option
to disable one during the upgrade. Back in the early days of Palm
Pilots
and such, it was fairly common mishap for a sync to run off the rails
and result in two copies of everything, leaving you the only option
of going through and deleting one of each by hand.

This happened to me at least twice, and when I saw two of
everything after the iOS5 upgrade, I had the sinking feeling it
had just happened again.


> One really loses the notion of the "master copy" when the cloud is used.
>
> I want the master copy to be the one on my Mac. *If I make additions on
> my iPhone they should flow to the Mac.
> If I make deletions on the iPhone they should flow to the Mac with a
> request to confirm.
> Deletions on the Mac should flow out to the iPhone and cloud.
>
> And the user should have control over determining and setting the
> "master copy". *If there is such control, other than avoiding the
> "backup to the cloud" option in iTunes, I don't see what it is.
>

I believe you can designate either one the master, but then I don't
think changes will propagate "upstream" (ie from slave to master)
at all.

-jc


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Alan Browne

On 2011-10-17 10:20 , jc wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:05 am, Alan Browne<alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
> wrote:
>> On 2011-10-17 08:27 , jc wrote:
>>
>>> the cloud, it should be the only calendar(s) selected for display.
>>
>> This is a failing in iCloud/Calendar sync IMO. It should show redundant
>> copies as a single entry with, perhaps, a symbol indicating a copy in
>> the cloud version.
>>
>
> Uh oh, you're about to get flamed for suggesting maybe Apple did
> something wrong

I'm immune.

> Anyway, I at least wish it would have warned me and given me the
> option
> to disable one during the upgrade. Back in the early days of Palm
> Pilots
> and such, it was fairly common mishap for a sync to run off the rails
> and result in two copies of everything, leaving you the only option
> of going through and deleting one of each by hand.
>
> This happened to me at least twice, and when I saw two of
> everything after the iOS5 upgrade, I had the sinking feeling it
> had just happened again.

Likewise. But stayed calm. Checked the options - deselected.

>
>
>> One really loses the notion of the "master copy" when the cloud is used.
>>
>> I want the master copy to be the one on my Mac. If I make additions on
>> my iPhone they should flow to the Mac.
>> If I make deletions on the iPhone they should flow to the Mac with a
>> request to confirm.
>> Deletions on the Mac should flow out to the iPhone and cloud.
>>
>> And the user should have control over determining and setting the
>> "master copy". If there is such control, other than avoiding the
>> "backup to the cloud" option in iTunes, I don't see what it is.
>>
>
> I believe you can designate either one the master, but then I don't
> think changes will propagate "upstream" (ie from slave to master)
> at all.

This is the issue. There really is no notion of a master or reference copy.


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Wes Groleau

On 10-17-2011 11:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2011-10-17 10:20 , jc wrote:
>> Uh oh, you're about to get flamed for suggesting maybe Apple did
>> something wrong
>
> I'm immune.

Diplomatic immunity, or just from vaccination?

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Todd Allcock

At 17 Oct 2011 10:05:17 -0400 Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2011-10-17 08:27 , jc wrote:
>
> > the cloud, it should be the only calendar(s) selected for display.
>
> This is a failing in iCloud/Calendar sync IMO. It should show
> redundant copies as a single entry with, perhaps, a symbol indicating a
> copy in the cloud version.

I think you're looking at it wrongly. They aren't really duplicates-
they're different calendar sources that just happen to have the same
events, just as if you copied your personal schedule to your work
calendar and vice versa.

It seems like Apple is treating iCloud veery much like Microsoft Exchange.



For example, if you sync an Exchange server with an iOS device, that
creates one calendar. If you also sync a Google calendar, that's a
separate calendar, etc. etc. You can have a virtually infinite number of
calendars on the device.

What seems to be freaking people out in this case, is that the iCloud
calendar and their "local" (iTunes sync) calendar are identical, hence
the duplicate events.

Once you have the iCloud calendar sync working, the obvious solution
would be to stop syncing the calendar locally with the computer; ideally
the computer is also syncing with iCloud, so a direct iOS to computer
sync is not only unnecessary, but redundant. An Exchange would never
think of syncing his mobile with his Outlook PC, sync Outlook is itself
connected to Exchange. It'd be like "crossing the streams" in
"Ghostbusters." The server is the hub that the various device spokes
connect through.


> One really loses the notion of the "master copy" when the cloud is used.

Absolutely. With a true cloud sync, the cloud and every device attached
to it are essentially peers.

Again, I'll use Exchange as an example. I have six mobile devices and
three PCs connected to my Exchange account. If I add, delete, or edit a
contact, calendar item, or task on any device, PC, or the server itself,
the changes instantly propagate to every other PC or device. There's no
"master"- it's a bunch of peers connected, each with equal ability to
create and destroy!

> I want the master copy to be the one on my Mac. If I make additions on
> my iPhone they should flow to the Mac.>
> If I make deletions on the iPhone they should flow to the Mac with a
> request to confirm.
> Deletions on the Mac should flow out to the iPhone and cloud.
>
> And the user should have control over determining and setting the
> "master copy". If there is such control, other than avoiding the
> "backup to the cloud" option in iTunes, I don't see what it is.


Cloud servers, at least in my experience, are really designed for multi-
device use. It sounds like you don't really want "iCloud" as much as you
want the computer-to-device iTunes connection to have the ability to
tunnel
over the internet, (which would be a great thing!)

Windows Mobile PDA and phone devices used to be able to do this from
their inception in 1999 until about 2005. The PC sync software
("Activesync") could be reached by IP, allowing mobile users to connect
and sync directly to the PC from anywhere they had internet access.
Microsoft killed this feature in 2005 citing "security concerns" and made
Exchange servers the only remote PC-to-device connection method. (The
conspiracy theorists among us at the time including myself assumed this
was MS' transparent attempt to push Exchange on home and small biz WinMo
users who were getting along just fine without it.)

While direct sync over IP was cool, it really was limited to a single
"master" PC scenario. Cloud servers, like Exchange, Google Calendar/Gmail,

and now iCloud, seem to be designed around an "any device, anywhere"
philosophy, and might be overkill for someone like you who wants more
granular control of the sync process. The slave devices would get
increasingly out of sync if a half dozen PCs or devices all had different
locally-entered data waiting on permission from the master before it
propagated to the other devices.

Having said that, nothing creates a heart-stopping panic more than
watching the data on your PC disappear in real time when you do something
completely stupid (as I have done!) like erasing all the contacts and
calendar items from an old mobile phone *before* terminating the Exchange
partnership instead of after. Next comes the even greater panic when you
realize that every other connected PC and mobile device is also self-
destructing simultaneously! Thank (insert favorite deity here) for the
Outlook "Deleted Items" folder!