salgud

I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.

Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
again, and erase most of my apps. Not good! My hard drive crashed a couple
of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on my
iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD collection
and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store. Apple is so
anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all of us
who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the greedy
music companies. Now I have to either give up backing up my music in iTunes
and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all my
CD's! Thanks, Apple!

When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps shown
there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better every
day, not to mention Android.

Davoud

salgud:
> ...My hard drive crashed a couple
> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on my
> iPhone. So I thought I was ok.

Really? No backup was your idea of "ok?"

> I bought some softare to transfer the
> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD collection
> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store. Apple is so
> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all of us
> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the greedy
> music companies.

I can't possibly know from your description what is wrong with your
system, but Apple does *not* erase music ripped from CD's. That music
is legal if you owned the CDs and Apple will even duplicate it for you
in iCloud. Sounds like you made an error (in addition to not having a
backup) and screwed up your system. You don't know how to fix it, so
you're blaming Apple. Dare I ask, if you think Apple wants to take your
music away, why you don't back up your iTunes library to an external
drive now? Still think not having a backup is OK, maybe?

> Now I have to either give up backing up my music in iTunes

iTunes is not a backup system. It is media playing and management
software for computers and iOS thingies.

> or let
> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all my
> CD's! Thanks, Apple!

Pure nonsense. And blaming Apple because you didn't have a backup.
Duh...

> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps shown
> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better every
> day, not to mention Android.

You're the one who hosed it, not Apple. Never mind. We'll miss you here
on MPMI when you get your Android. A search for Android anti-virus
software returns 22 million results, so you'll be well taken care of.
There is another little known benefit of using Android. You never have
to backup anything. Don't know why they don't advertise that.

Or you could just take your Mac to the Genius Bar. You would do well to
take the time to write down in a coherent fashion what happened and why
you think that Apple wants to take your music away from you, before you
go.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

Doug Anderson

salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> writes:

> I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
> what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.
>
> Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
> again, and erase most of my apps. Not good!

I don't know what you have going on, but this is _not_ normal iTunes
behavior.

> My hard drive crashed a couple
> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on my
> iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD collection
> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store.

I don't think it is going to do that at all. That isn't what it does
for other people, but maybe you're special.

> Apple is so
> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all of us
> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the greedy
> music companies.

This is simply wrong. I don't know what is going on with your setup,
but iTunes does _not_ erase tracks on your computer.

> Now I have to either give up backing up my music in iTunes

Wait. You don't have a backup of your iTunes library, so how can you
"give up" doing one?

> and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all my
> CD's! Thanks, Apple!

No, you don't have to do that. But if I were you, I would make a
backup of the iTunes library.

> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps shown
> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better every
> day, not to mention Android.

Apple will let you re-download (at no charge) Apps you have already
purchased. So why don't you download the other Apps on your phone to
iTunes?

Jolly Roger

In article <141220111052522648%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> We'll miss you here
> on MPMI when you get your Android.

I won't.

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Todd Allcock

At 14 Dec 2011 08:03:08 -0700 salgud wrote:
> I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
> what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.
>
> Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
> again, and erase most of my apps. Not good! My hard drive crashed a
couple
> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on
my
> iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD
collection
> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store. Apple is so
> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all
of us
> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the
greedy
> music companies. Now I have to either give up backing up my music in
iTunes
> and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all
my
> CD's! Thanks, Apple!

I'm no fan of iTunes, but I don't think you're doing it right. If you've
pulled your music off the iPhone with some third-party utility, you
should just be able to import that music into the new (blank?) iTunes
library from wherever the utility stashed it, then resync the iPhone.
You'll get warnings about the content being erased from the iPhone
because its content will be replaced by the identical content from the
"new" library.

Take a deep breath, do a little Googling if you're unsure how to proceed,
(perhaps using a better third-party utility to pull the content off the
iPhone) and fix it.

> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps
shown
> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better
every
> day, not to mention Android.

Zune handles this remarkably well, FWIW. You can connect any Zune or
Windows Phone as a guest, and copy any unprotected media into the
computer's library.

Android's music management is sort of unique in that it doesn't really
have any. You just drag and drop your content onto the device's SD card,
and if it's all tagged properly, the device will sort it all out. That
has its advantages and disadvantages. You can also use Windows Media
Player for management (if you use Windows) or any third-party manager (e.g.
MediaMonkey, which is quite good) that can manage a generic MP3 player.

salgud

On 14 Dec 2011 08:10:46 -0800, Doug Anderson wrote:

> salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
>> what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.
>>
>> Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
>> again, and erase most of my apps. Not good!
>
> I don't know what you have going on, but this is _not_ normal iTunes
> behavior.
>
I'm not so much concerned about "normal" iTunes behavior as I am by what
I'm confronted with at the moment.

>> My hard drive crashed a couple
>> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
>> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on my
>> iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
>> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
>> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
>> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD collection
>> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store.
>
> I don't think it is going to do that at all. That isn't what it does
> for other people, but maybe you're special.
>
Maybe. And maybe it's not normal, but it's what iTunes says it's going to
do. Would you pull the trigger and tell it go ahead, hoping that what it
says it's going to do, it's not really going to do?


>> Apple is so
>> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all of us
>> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the greedy
>> music companies.
>
> This is simply wrong. I don't know what is going on with your setup,
> but iTunes does _not_ erase tracks on your computer.
>
Then why is it telling me it's going to?

>> Now I have to either give up backing up my music in iTunes
>
> Wait. You don't have a backup of your iTunes library, so how can you
> "give up" doing one?
>
I've had one since I got my first iPhone, in iTunes, which went when the
hard drive went.

>> and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
>> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all my
>> CD's! Thanks, Apple!
>
> No, you don't have to do that. But if I were you, I would make a
> backup of the iTunes library.
>
Obviously, I'm not doing anything until I get everything backed up. But I'm
not sure how to do that in such a way so that I can reinstall it afterward.
That's how I got into this mess in the first place. iTunes is designed to
make it difficult to get any music you didn't buy from Apple or have on CD
into it. Getting a single CD in is easy. Getting 100 in, not so much. I
don't want to have to do that again.

>> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
>> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps shown
>> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
>> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better every
>> day, not to mention Android.
>
> Apple will let you re-download (at no charge) Apps you have already
> purchased.
I understand that.

>So why don't you download the other Apps on your phone to
> iTunes?
Because iTunes is warning me that that's not what's going to happen. It is
telling me that it's going to erase them and that only the ones showing in
my iTunes app library will be left. For some reason, that's not very many
of them.

So I have to make a list of every app I have on the phone that's going to
be erased, then sync, then go into the App Store, find each missing one,
and re-install. Since I have well over 100 apps, and most will be erased,
that will only take a few hours. Yippee!

salgud

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:12:24 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:

> At 14 Dec 2011 08:03:08 -0700 salgud wrote:
>> I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
>> what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.
>>
>> Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
>> again, and erase most of my apps. Not good! My hard drive crashed a
> couple
>> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
>> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on
> my
>> iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
>> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
>> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
>> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD
> collection
>> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store. Apple is so
>> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all
> of us
>> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the
> greedy
>> music companies. Now I have to either give up backing up my music in
> iTunes
>> and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
>> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all
> my
>> CD's! Thanks, Apple!
>
> I'm no fan of iTunes, but I don't think you're doing it right. If you've
> pulled your music off the iPhone with some third-party utility, you
> should just be able to import that music into the new (blank?) iTunes
> library from wherever the utility stashed it, then resync the iPhone.
That's what I did, except for the sync, when I got the warning that after
the sync, my iTunes library would be 3.5G, instead of 11.5, I freaked!

> You'll get warnings about the content being erased from the iPhone
> because its content will be replaced by the identical content from the
> "new" library.
>
If that's the case, why is it telling me that there will be 3.5G of music
if I sync?

> Take a deep breath, do a little Googling if you're unsure how to proceed,
> (perhaps using a better third-party utility to pull the content off the
> iPhone) and fix it.
>
I may try the "backup" again. It hung up transferring a few photos and
videos at the end of the backup, and after over an hour of waiting, I told
it to cancel. It shouldn't have taken anywhere near that long to transfer
the photos/videos, there weren't that many. I think I'll email the ones I
want, delete the others, then try the whole back up to iTunes again, see if
that fixes it. At least, that will be plan A.

I guess the worst case is that I'll get duplicates of all my songs in
iTunes, over 1900, which will still be a royal PITA to go through and
delete every other one.

>> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
>> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps
> shown
>> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
>> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better
> every
>> day, not to mention Android.
>
> Zune handles this remarkably well, FWIW. You can connect any Zune or
> Windows Phone as a guest, and copy any unprotected media into the
> computer's library.
>
Zune may handle this better, but I'm not that desparate yet!

> Android's music management is sort of unique in that it doesn't really
> have any. You just drag and drop your content onto the device's SD card,
> and if it's all tagged properly, the device will sort it all out. That
> has its advantages and disadvantages. You can also use Windows Media
> Player for management (if you use Windows) or any third-party manager (e.g.
> MediaMonkey, which is quite good) that can manage a generic MP3 player.

That sounds doable. It will be a while, but I've already decided that as
much as I like my 4S, when my current contract is up, I'm going to take a
close look at Android. Maybe even WinMo, God forbid. But unless they
significantly update iOS to make it more fluid, I might make the switch.
I'm not in love/married to Apple like some. As long as it's the best for
me, I'll stick with it. As soon as I think something else is better, I'll
switch. The next iPhone will be the last with Job's direct imprint on it.
After thay, it's anyone's guess how good or bad Apple's products will be.
But I don't think all the "Visionary 101" classes in the world will create
a Jobs clone.

salgud

On 14 Dec 2011 08:10:46 -0800, Doug Anderson wrote:

> salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
>> what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.
>>
>> Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
>> again, and erase most of my apps. Not good!
>
> I don't know what you have going on, but this is _not_ normal iTunes
> behavior.
>
I'm not so much concerned about "normal" iTunes behavior as I am by what
I'm confronted with at the moment.

>> My hard drive crashed a couple
>> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
>> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on my
>> iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
>> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
>> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
>> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD collection
>> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store.
>
> I don't think it is going to do that at all. That isn't what it does
> for other people, but maybe you're special.
>
Maybe. And maybe it's not normal, but it's what iTunes says it's going to
do. Would you pull the trigger and tell it go ahead, hoping that what it
says it's going to do, it's not really going to do?


>> Apple is so
>> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all of us
>> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the greedy
>> music companies.
>
> This is simply wrong. I don't know what is going on with your setup,
> but iTunes does _not_ erase tracks on your computer.
>
Then why is it telling me it's going to?

>> Now I have to either give up backing up my music in iTunes
>
> Wait. You don't have a backup of your iTunes library, so how can you
> "give up" doing one?
>
I've had one since I got my first iPhone, in iTunes, which went when the
hard drive went.

>> and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
>> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all my
>> CD's! Thanks, Apple!
>
> No, you don't have to do that. But if I were you, I would make a
> backup of the iTunes library.
>
Obviously, I'm not doing anything until I get everything backed up. But I'm
not sure how to do that in such a way so that I can reinstall it afterward.
That's how I got into this mess in the first place. iTunes is designed to
make it difficult to get any music you didn't buy from Apple or have on CD
into it. Getting a single CD in is easy. Getting 100 in, not so much. I
don't want to have to do that again.

>> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
>> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps shown
>> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
>> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better every
>> day, not to mention Android.
>
> Apple will let you re-download (at no charge) Apps you have already
> purchased.
I understand that.

>So why don't you download the other Apps on your phone to
> iTunes?
Because iTunes is warning me that that's not what's going to happen. It is
telling me that it's going to erase them and that only the ones showing in
my iTunes app library will be left. For some reason, that's not very many
of them.

So I have to make a list of every app I have on the phone that's going to
be erased, then sync, then go into the App Store, find each missing one,
and re-install. Since I have well over 100 apps, and most will be erased,
that will only take a few hours. Yippee!

salgud

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:12:24 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:

> At 14 Dec 2011 08:03:08 -0700 salgud wrote:
>> I've never had any trouble with iTunes until now. It's always done just
>> what it's supposed to do, though sometimes it's a bit abstruse.
>>
>> Now, iTunes wants to erase my music library and force me to start over
>> again, and erase most of my apps. Not good! My hard drive crashed a
> couple
>> of weeks ago, and I hadn't backed up my music library after I'd
>> re-installed it all previously, so it was gone, except that I had it on
> my
>> iPhone. So I thought I was ok. I bought some softare to transfer the
>> contents of my iPhone to iTunes, and that worked great. Or so I thought.
>> Now I find that while iTunes will contain my music, if I sync with my
>> iPhone, it's going to erase the 8G of music I ripped from my CD
> collection
>> and leave me with the 3.5G I bought through the app store. Apple is so
>> anxious to protect the music companies that they decided to screw all
> of us
>> who legitamately bought CDs all those years, paying a fortune to the
> greedy
>> music companies. Now I have to either give up backing up my music in
> iTunes
>> and find another, probably less user friendly way to back it up, or let
>> iTunes erase it all and spend the next couple of months re-ripping all
> my
>> CD's! Thanks, Apple!
>
> I'm no fan of iTunes, but I don't think you're doing it right. If you've
> pulled your music off the iPhone with some third-party utility, you
> should just be able to import that music into the new (blank?) iTunes
> library from wherever the utility stashed it, then resync the iPhone.
That's what I did, except for the sync, when I got the warning that after
the sync, my iTunes library would be 3.5G, instead of 11.5, I freaked!

> You'll get warnings about the content being erased from the iPhone
> because its content will be replaced by the identical content from the
> "new" library.
>
If that's the case, why is it telling me that there will be 3.5G of music
if I sync?

> Take a deep breath, do a little Googling if you're unsure how to proceed,
> (perhaps using a better third-party utility to pull the content off the
> iPhone) and fix it.
>
I may try the "backup" again. It hung up transferring a few photos and
videos at the end of the backup, and after over an hour of waiting, I told
it to cancel. It shouldn't have taken anywhere near that long to transfer
the photos/videos, there weren't that many. I think I'll email the ones I
want, delete the others, then try the whole back up to iTunes again, see if
that fixes it. At least, that will be plan A.

I guess the worst case is that I'll get duplicates of all my songs in
iTunes, over 1900, which will still be a royal PITA to go through and
delete every other one.

>> When I click on "Sync Apps" in iTunes, most of my apps on my iPhone
>> dissappear from my computer screen and it warns me that only the apps
> shown
>> there will be on my iPhone if I sync! So now my apps aren't backed up by
>> iTunes either. Another hose job! JBing is looking better and better
> every
>> day, not to mention Android.
>
> Zune handles this remarkably well, FWIW. You can connect any Zune or
> Windows Phone as a guest, and copy any unprotected media into the
> computer's library.
>
Zune may handle this better, but I'm not that desparate yet!

> Android's music management is sort of unique in that it doesn't really
> have any. You just drag and drop your content onto the device's SD card,
> and if it's all tagged properly, the device will sort it all out. That
> has its advantages and disadvantages. You can also use Windows Media
> Player for management (if you use Windows) or any third-party manager (e.g.
> MediaMonkey, which is quite good) that can manage a generic MP3 player.

That sounds doable. It will be a while, but I've already decided that as
much as I like my 4S, when my current contract is up, I'm going to take a
close look at Android. Maybe even WinMo, God forbid. But unless they
significantly update iOS to make it more fluid, I might make the switch.
I'm not in love/married to Apple like some. As long as it's the best for
me, I'll stick with it. As soon as I think something else is better, I'll
switch. The next iPhone will be the last with Job's direct imprint on it.
After thay, it's anyone's guess how good or bad Apple's products will be.
But I don't think all the "Visionary 101" classes in the world will create
a Jobs clone.

salgud

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