Michelle Steiner

In article <n7l586hqer0f693128rfcj20mupqrmrpad@4ax.com>,
Justin Tyme <Justin@tyme.com> wrote:

> I could refute what you say point by point but why bother since your
> mind is closed as is most of the Apple fans.

LOL. Considering the screed you wrote before, you shouldn't be saying that
anyone has a closed mind.

> >understand that being in full control isn't always indicative of a
> >better user experience,
>
> But obviously you choose to jailbreak your iphone because you want to be
> in Full Control.

As I understand him, he jailbreaks it only because he wants to tether
something to it. (Oh, by the way, I find that people who use gratuitous
capitalizations are usually fanatics.)

> The same could be said for the MacOs. If you could tweak it to add
> functionality then I think you would if it gave you a better user
> experience.

You can, and lots of people do. Even I do.

> You really think that the AppleOS is hackproof and that there is no
> chance of a Mac virus?

No one here has ever said that.

> Just look at the Iphone and the Jailbreaking etc. It proves that when
> determined hackers put their minds to it they can hack anything.

It doesn't prove any such thing. All it proves is that the iPhone can be
hacked. But there still hasn't been any viruses found for the iPhone.

> The Apple OS has vulnerabilities and I am sure one
> day some determined hacker will exploit these.

Some day, sure; no one here denies that. But so far, Apple has been ahead
of that power curve.

> So to sum it all up, being in full control of your Apple Iphone is
> good. Having full control of your Apple OS is bad. I fail to see your
> logic JR.

That's because your summation is totally erroneous.

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In article <jollyroger-06519F.17305604092010@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > Safari doesn't have the ability to send files either. So if using web
> > based email, you cannot add attachements such as pictures.
>
> Bull. I've sent plenty attachments with web-based email in Safari.

From iPhone's Safari?

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In article <i5uerb$trf$1@tioat.net>,
Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:

> So, it's true! There will be an Apple Store in the Ground Zero
> Mosque and all employees including the thousands of undocumented
> immigrants from Mexico currently employed by Apple will be required
> to convert Wahhabism. I thought that was just a rumor.

You got that last part a bit wrong. They'll be required to eat wasabi.

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In article <m1y6bh9owq.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem on both sides for the most part is that learning how to use
> a computer comfortably is hard enough for most people so that they will
> prefer, for that reason reason, that with which they are familiar.

A few years ago, my sister asked my help in buying a computer; she wanted a
Windows PC because that's what she was used to. A few months ago, she told
me that as soon as she can afford to buy another one, she will switch to
Macs, and will want my help in choosing which one.

With everything I know about her, I'll probably steer her to the base model
iMac (unless she insists on a laptop, in which case I'll recommend the base
MacBook), or maybe the Mac Mini if her current monitor is compatible with
it. If she has to buy a monitor, though, the iMac would be less expensive.

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Your Name

In article <jollyroger-06519F.17305604092010@news.individual.net>, Jolly
Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <4c82b413$0$5691$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> > Safari doesn't have the ability to send files either. So if using web
> > based email, you cannot add attachements such as pictures.
>
> Bull. I've sent plenty attachments with web-based email in Safari.

Me too (when Vodafon'es useless email "service" is actually working!).
Sending files has nothing to do with a web browser, although the security
preference settings in some web browsers or firewalls may block sending
files.

Your Name

In article <michelle-798D96.18304204092010@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-06519F.17305604092010@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > > Safari doesn't have the ability to send files either. So if using web
> > > based email, you cannot add attachements such as pictures.
> >
> > Bull. I've sent plenty attachments with web-based email in Safari.
>
> From iPhone's Safari?

Shouldn't make a difference what the web browser is running on, but I do
seem remember reading somewhere that it's not as easy as it should be to
attach images in iPhone's Mail (from the camera roll??), so that could
well be the cause of Jolly Roger's mistaken belief.

Your Name

In article <michelle-88FE94.18370904092010@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <m1y6bh9owq.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem on both sides for the most part is that learning how to use
> > a computer comfortably is hard enough for most people so that they will
> > prefer, for that reason reason, that with which they are familiar.
>
> A few years ago, my sister asked my help in buying a computer; she wanted a
> Windows PC because that's what she was used to. A few months ago, she told
> me that as soon as she can afford to buy another one, she will switch to
> Macs, and will want my help in choosing which one.
>
> With everything I know about her, I'll probably steer her to the base model
> iMac (unless she insists on a laptop, in which case I'll recommend the base
> MacBook), or maybe the Mac Mini if her current monitor is compatible with
> it. If she has to buy a monitor, though, the iMac would be less expensive.

Personally I'd steer clear of the MacBook. Spend the extra money and get
the base model 13" MacBook Pro instead. I'm not sure about the new model,
but the older white MacBooks VERY quickly show the dirt of normal usage
and you have to be almost obsessive about cleaning them. :-(

Wes Groleau

On 09-04-2010 22:43, Your Name wrote:
> Personally I'd steer clear of the MacBook. Spend the extra money and get
> the base model 13" MacBook Pro instead. I'm not sure about the new model,
> but the older white MacBooks VERY quickly show the dirt of normal usage
> and you have to be almost obsessive about cleaning them. :-(

I've had mine for several months. I can't find this dirt you speak of.

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Michelle Steiner

In article
<your.name-0509101441400001@203-109-174-164.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:

> > > > Safari doesn't have the ability to send files either. So if using
> > > > web based email, you cannot add attachements such as pictures.
> > >
> > > Bull. I've sent plenty attachments with web-based email in Safari.
> >
> > From iPhone's Safari?
>
> Shouldn't make a difference what the web browser is running on,

You have to be able to access the file in order to upload it. How do you
access files from within Safari on the iPhone or iPad?

> but I do seem remember reading somewhere that it's not as easy as it
> should be to attach images in iPhone's Mail (from the camera roll??),

It's very easy to send photos from the camera roll (or any other photo in
the photos app) using iPhone's mail app, but you have to initiate it from
the photos app.

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Jolly Roger

In article <n7l586hqer0f693128rfcj20mupqrmrpad@4ax.com>,
Justin Tyme <Justin@tyme.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 08:50:15 -0500, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >It's almost impossible to make a Windows user who refuses to give Mac OS
> >> >a try with an open mind understand that being in full control isn't
> >> >always indicative of a better user experience, and that quite often, the
> >> >compromise of less control is worth the aded benefit of stuff that just
> >> >works.
>
> I could refute what you say point by point but why bother since your
> mind is closed as is most of the Apple fans.

That's a lame cop out.

And I consider you to be just as closed-minded.

> I do not have a problem with the Apple OS and at one time I preferred
> it. Now I prefer Windows OS. It gives me a better user experience and
> I like to have some control over my OS.

I would love to see a list of things you believe you have more control
over in Windows than in Mac OS. Somehow, though, I know you won't
provide any such list to us here.

> The Apple OS is good but so is the Windows OS. It
> boils down to user preference. Period. Nothing more to say on that
> subject.

Well "good" ain't good enough for me. To each his own.

> But....JR you jailbreak your phone as you have said before. I have no
> problem with that as I also Jailbreak mine.

So?

> You say:
> >understand that being in full control isn't always indicative of a better
> >user experience,
>
> But obviously you choose to jailbreak your iphone because you want to
> be in Full Control.

No, I don't want "Full Control". I just want two features Apple doesn't
currently provide. If they provided those features in a future update, I
would have no reason to jail break. An neither of these features are
features I would consider the iPhone useless without. In fact, I am
about to remove my jail break so I can apply the latest updates. No big
deal. The iPhone is still just as valuable to me without the jail break.

> So by being in full control are you not having a better user
> experience with your iphone?

No, it's actually a lot worse in a lot of ways. I am willing to make
that sacrifice to get the features that jail breaking give me - namely
free tethering, and the ability to access stored voice mail messages.

> The same could be said for the MacOs. If you could tweak it to add
> functionality then I think you would if it gave you a better user
> experience.

There's nothing stopping anyone from tweaking Mac OS X like there is on
the iPhone. It's not the same at all. Nice try, though.

> You really think that the AppleOS is hackproof

It's Mac OS.

Nobody here said "Mac OS is hack proof".

> and that there is no chance of a Mac virus?

Nobody here said "There is no chance of a Mac virus".

You really need to learn to read for comprehension, buddy.

What we actually said is there have been no Mac viruses in the wild
since the introduction of Mac OS X 12+ years ago, and that continues to
be the case to this day - despite you silly Windows users claiming A Mac
virus will hit the scene "any day now".

> I have read a lot of your postings and you seem
> like a pretty intelligent guy but you are doing the ostrich thing if
> you truly believe that Macs are invulnerable.

Nobody here has said that Macs are invulnerable to anything.

You're really having a hard time with this, aren't you? Is it really all
that hard to understand? Mac OS X, like any OS, has it's
vulnerabilities. Yet the fact is there are no Mac OS X viruses in the
wild for Mac users to worry about. Perhaps if you would spend just a
little of your time trying to learn why that is, you might understand!

> Just look at the Iphone and the Jailbreaking etc. It proves that when
> determined hackers put their minds to it they can hack anything.

Mac users don't have to jail break Mac OS X, because Apple hasn't
limited what we can run on it. So you have no point here.

> I am
> sure Steve is pissed but Apple is helpless as each system gets hacked
> in a short time.

Steve Jobs isn;t pissed at all. Apple isn't helpless. And each Mac
system isn't hacked in a short time. All of what you said in that silly
sentence is a load of crap.

> The Apple OS has vulnerabilities

It's "Mac OS".

Nobody said Mac OS was invulnerable. You clearly can't understand what
you are reading.

> I am sure one day some determined hacker will exploit these.

This has nothing at all to do with this discussion. People find, report,
and sometimes exploit security vulnerabilities in all operating systems,
including Mac OS X, all the time. Why do you think it is Mac OS X that
is relatively virus-free for the past 12 years, despite this?

> When and if the Apple
> OS ever becomes as hot as the iphone then the hackers will turn their
> attention to your OS. Nothing is safe from hackers, this has been
> proven time and again.

Yes, yes. We've heard this line for over 12 years now as well. Yet there
are plenty of other operating systems both with smaller market share and
more viruses than Mac OS X. You clearly don't see the huge fallacy in
your logic?

> I fail to see your logic JR.

Likewise.

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