Jolly Roger

In article <9te0869iap5dkcv8tmch3ljjf3j0o2cttu@4ax.com>,
Jim <jim@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:29:26 -0400, BreadWithSpam@fractious.net wrote:
>
> >"menne" <chettefrega@aol.com> writes:
> >
> >> I'm looking for some file manager for iphone.
> >>
> >> I need to browse into system folders, not only media folders.
> >>
> >> My Iphone4 32gb is NOT jb.
> >
> >You'll have to jailbreak it. If you're comfortable poking around in
> >folders that users aren't supposed to poke around in, you should be
> >comfortable jailbreaking.
>
> Try Iphone Browser (google it).
> Phone doesn't have to be jailbroken and it gives complete access to
> the system.

Wrong.

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Jolly Roger

In article <i5pt63$b63$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:

> There's all levels of users, and then there's those that simply want to
> be in control of what they own. It's almost impossible to make a MAC user
> understand why us dopes suffer with Windows.

It's almost impossible to make a Windows user who refuses to give Mac OS
a try with an open mind understand that being in full control isn't
always indicative of a better user experience, and that quite often, the
compromise of less control is worth the aded benefit of stuff that just
works.

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Jolly Roger

In article <i5q4do$3et$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
"Your Name" <your.name@isp.com> wrote:

> "Wes Groleau" <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote in message
> news:i5pri3$4ra$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> > On 09-02-2010 20:07, Jim wrote:
> > >
> > > Try Iphone Browser (google it).
> > > Phone doesn't have to be jailbroken and it gives complete access to
> > > the system.
> >
> > Read-only access to most parts
>
> I haven't looked into what it does and doesn't do yet, but my latest Mac
> magazine that I picked up form the shop today has a brief tutorial for using
> your iPod / iPhone as a hard drive / flash drive via an application called
> Phone Disk from http://www.macroplant.com/phonedisk and the it does not
> involve jailbreaking.
>
> One of the tutorial's steps does show what looks like the folders on the
> iPod / iPhone and a note not to meddle with them.
>
> Unfortunately it was free until 1 September, so we've just missed out on
> that thanks to it taking two / three months for magazines to reach New
> Zealand (unless you're willing to pay excessive air frieght charges).

That, too, give read-only access to lots of folders and files. If you
want complete access, jail breaking is the only way to go.

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Junior

Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <i5pt63$b63$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> There's all levels of users, and then there's those that simply want to
>> be in control of what they own. It's almost impossible to make a MAC user
>> understand why us dopes suffer with Windows.
>
> It's almost impossible to make a Windows user who refuses to give Mac OS
> a try with an open mind understand that being in full control isn't
> always indicative of a better user experience, and that quite often, the
> compromise of less control is worth the aded benefit of stuff that just
> works.

I thought the issue of control and the restrictive OS was only with
the iPhone. Are you saying a Mac desktop computer has the same
issues compared with a Windows desktop computer? I've only used
Windows and Linux so this is news to me about Apple. There was
something in the news the other day about the need to jailbreak a
droid now. That's just stupid. Bad business. Lame. Etc., etc...

It just won't work.

Michelle Steiner

In article <i5r0tp$vh0$2@tioat.net>,
Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:

> I thought the issue of control and the restrictive OS was only with the
> iPhone. Are you saying a Mac desktop computer has the same issues
> compared with a Windows desktop computer?

No; it's just that with the Mac, you hardly ever need to.

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Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> writes:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article <i5pt63$b63$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> There's all levels of users, and then there's those that simply want to
> >> be in control of what they own. It's almost impossible to make a MAC user
> >> understand why us dopes suffer with Windows.
> >
> > It's almost impossible to make a Windows user who refuses to give Mac OS
> > a try with an open mind understand that being in full control isn't
> > always indicative of a better user experience, and that quite often, the
> > compromise of less control is worth the aded benefit of stuff that just
> > works.
>
> I thought the issue of control and the restrictive OS was only with
> the iPhone. Are you saying a Mac desktop computer has the same
> issues compared with a Windows desktop computer?

This isn't the case.

Remember that Macs are running a unix-type operating system at the
base level (like linux) and you have the same level of control.

No "jailbreaking" is required, for example, to log in as root and do
whatever you want.

The difference is that 99% of the time, you don't _need_ to do that
since for most things Apple has provided good ways of doing them
_without_ editing text files in /etc. (Not 100% of the time, but most
of the time.)

> I've only used
> Windows and Linux so this is news to me about Apple. There was
> something in the news the other day about the need to jailbreak a
> droid now. That's just stupid. Bad business. Lame. Etc., etc...
>
> It just won't work.

Well, as I said, this isn't apple's business model for their
computers.

But as far as your assertion that it "won't work" - that seems to be
contradicted by the success of the iPod and the iPhone. It _does_ seem
to "work," though like you, I'd prefer that Apple not do it.

Jolly Roger

In article <i5r0tp$vh0$2@tioat.net>,
Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article <i5pt63$b63$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> There's all levels of users, and then there's those that simply want to
> >> be in control of what they own. It's almost impossible to make a MAC user
> >> understand why us dopes suffer with Windows.
> >
> > It's almost impossible to make a Windows user who refuses to give Mac OS
> > a try with an open mind understand that being in full control isn't
> > always indicative of a better user experience, and that quite often, the
> > compromise of less control is worth the aded benefit of stuff that just
> > works.
>
> I thought the issue of control and the restrictive OS was only with
> the iPhone. Are you saying a Mac desktop computer has the same
> issues compared with a Windows desktop computer? I've only used
> Windows and Linux so this is news to me about Apple. There was
> something in the news the other day about the need to jailbreak a
> droid now. That's just stupid. Bad business. Lame. Etc., etc...
>
> It just won't work.

All operating systems - yes, even Windows - have limitations. All the
same, some Windows users who have never given Mac OS a genuine try bitch
and moan about very silly things like "you can't change the font in
such-and-such app to blah blah" or what-have-you, in an attempt to
justify their closed-minded refusal to give it a genuine try. The point
is, you can't force people to embrace things. That's a decision only
they can make themselves.

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Junior

Doug Anderson wrote:
> Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> writes:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> > In article <i5pt63$b63$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> There's all levels of users, and then there's those that simply want to
>> >> be in control of what they own. It's almost impossible to make a MAC user
>> >> understand why us dopes suffer with Windows.
>> >
>> > It's almost impossible to make a Windows user who refuses to give Mac OS
>> > a try with an open mind understand that being in full control isn't
>> > always indicative of a better user experience, and that quite often, the
>> > compromise of less control is worth the aded benefit of stuff that just
>> > works.
>>
>> I thought the issue of control and the restrictive OS was only with
>> the iPhone. Are you saying a Mac desktop computer has the same
>> issues compared with a Windows desktop computer?
>
> This isn't the case.
>
> Remember that Macs are running a unix-type operating system at the
> base level (like linux) and you have the same level of control.
>
> No "jailbreaking" is required, for example, to log in as root and do
> whatever you want.
>
> The difference is that 99% of the time, you don't _need_ to do that
> since for most things Apple has provided good ways of doing them
> _without_ editing text files in /etc. (Not 100% of the time, but most
> of the time.)

OK, that's interesting; the config files are in /etc just like on a
linux system. I spend a lot of time at the command prompt or base
level with linux but prefer a gui interface. Thanks for the info. My
next toy might be a Mac.

>> I've only used
>> Windows and Linux so this is news to me about Apple. There was
>> something in the news the other day about the need to jailbreak a
>> droid now. That's just stupid. Bad business. Lame. Etc., etc...
>>
>> It just won't work.
>
> Well, as I said, this isn't apple's business model for their
> computers.
>
> But as far as your assertion that it "won't work" - that seems to be
> contradicted by the success of the iPod and the iPhone. It _does_ seem
> to "work," though like you, I'd prefer that Apple not do it.

Yes, what I was trying to say is that this is a bad business model.
There needs to be a compromise in there somewhere. You might think
this is a little foolish but, I had to get the new iPhone 4 because
it was the latest gadget. I haven't done the jailbreak thing "yet"
although I may give it a try. It's about curiosity. I'm a geek;
can't help it.

I recently decided against getting an iPad because of this issue and
also the fact that you are unable to connect a USB memory stick to
the iPad. That just didn't work for me.

This is still a dilemma for me because I want something like the
iPad and there doesn't seem to be anything else comparable on the
market.

Jolly Roger

In article <i5r3m7$vh0$3@tioat.net>,
Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:

> OK, that's interesting; the config files are in /etc just like on a
> linux system. I spend a lot of time at the command prompt or base
> level with linux but prefer a gui interface. Thanks for the info. My
> next toy might be a Mac.

Take it from someone who used to use Linux almost exclusively at home,
but has since switched to all Macs (one or two running Windows due to
employer requirements, but through VMware Fusion / Parallels, so i don;t
have to restart to run Windows junk):

That's a purchase you won't regret!

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Jolly Roger

In article <i5r3m7$vh0$3@tioat.net>,
Junior <anonymous@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:

> I recently decided against getting an iPad because of this issue and
> also the fact that you are unable to connect a USB memory stick to
> the iPad. That just didn't work for me.
>
> This is still a dilemma for me because I want something like the
> iPad and there doesn't seem to be anything else comparable on the
> market.

You should visit an Apple store and ask some questions. It may turn out
your concerns are addressable.

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