Michelle Steiner

Copied directly from the user manual:

Your device may have internal and external antennas. Avoid touching
the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is transmitting or
receiving. Contact with antennas affects the communication quality
and may cause a higher power level during operation and may reduce
the battery life.

<http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/...72_UG_en-US_na
m.pdf>

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nospam

In article
<michelle-D588A2.14470628062010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Copied directly from the user manual:
>
> Your device may have internal and external antennas. Avoid touching
> the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is transmitting or
> receiving. Contact with antennas affects the communication quality
> and may cause a higher power level during operation and may reduce
> the battery life.
>
> <http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/...72_UG_en-US_na
> m.pdf>

nokia has the gall to criticize apple, when their phones do exactly the
same thing.

here's a video of the e71 and how it's held:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk>

and the nokia 2320:
<http://funsizebytes.com/post/7457211...my-nokia-2320-
which-boil-down-to>

every cellphone has a similar warning.

only apple gets slammed.

salgud

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:53:34 -0700, nospam wrote:

> In article
> <michelle-D588A2.14470628062010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> Copied directly from the user manual:
>>
>> Your device may have internal and external antennas. Avoid touching
>> the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is transmitting or
>> receiving. Contact with antennas affects the communication quality
>> and may cause a higher power level during operation and may reduce
>> the battery life.
>>
>> <http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/...72_UG_en-US_na
>> m.pdf>
>
> nokia has the gall to criticize apple, when their phones do exactly the
> same thing.
>
> here's a video of the e71 and how it's held:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk>
>
> and the nokia 2320:
> <http://funsizebytes.com/post/7457211...my-nokia-2320-
> which-boil-down-to>
>
> every cellphone has a similar warning.
>
> only apple gets slammed.

Funny, how fanbois want to elevate the iSteve to the level of a God, and
Apple to some sort of ideal, then get angry when others hold them to it.

nospam

In article <130c665teooi3.19g21q7tjnbc2.dlg@40tude.net>, salgud
<spamboy6547@comcast.net> wrote:

> Funny, how fanbois want to elevate the iSteve to the level of a God, and
> Apple to some sort of ideal, then get angry when others hold them to it.

that's an odd interpretation.

if you touch the antenna of *any* cellphone, it's not going to work
properly. physics is funny that way. that's why *all* cellphones have
warnings not to do that, especially nokia who had the gall to make an
issue out of it.

the only reason people are getting angry is because apple is being held
to a different standard that does not apply to anyone else. bunch of
fucking hypocrites.

Wes Groleau

On 06-28-2010 18:24, nospam wrote:
> the only reason people are getting angry is because apple is being held
> to a different standard that does not apply to anyone else. bunch of

Apple has a different _design_ from everyone else.
Is the antenna Nokia warns us not to touch wrapped around the entire device?

--
Wes Groleau

Nobody believes a theoretical analysis -- except the guy who did it.
Everybody believes an experimental analysis -- except the guy who
did it.
-- Unknown

nospam

In article <i0b7qg$5dn$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> Apple has a different _design_ from everyone else.

yea and? no two phones are exactly alike.

> Is the antenna Nokia warns us not to touch wrapped around the entire device?

it's inside but touching the area around it will affect it. that's why
there are warnings to not touch those areas.

look at the diagram:
<http://funsizebytes.com/post/7457211...my-nokia-2320-
which-boil-down-to>

Michelle Steiner

In article <i0b7qg$5dn$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > the only reason people are getting angry is because apple is being
> > held to a different standard that does not apply to anyone else. bunch
> > of
>
> Apple has a different _design_ from everyone else.

Irrelevant.

> Is the antenna Nokia warns us not to touch wrapped around the entire
> device?

Again, irrelevant; on both the Nokia and the Apple, it's touching it only
in a certain spot. Actually, on the Nokia, it's touching it on either of
two certain spots.

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salgud

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:24:09 -0700, nospam wrote:

> In article <130c665teooi3.19g21q7tjnbc2.dlg@40tude.net>, salgud
> <spamboy6547@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Funny, how fanbois want to elevate the iSteve to the level of a God, and
>> Apple to some sort of ideal, then get angry when others hold them to it.
>
> that's an odd interpretation.
>
> if you touch the antenna of *any* cellphone, it's not going to work
> properly. physics is funny that way. that's why *all* cellphones have
> warnings not to do that, especially nokia who had the gall to make an
> issue out of it.
>
True. But an exposed antenna is far more susceptible to this problem. The
further you hand is from the antenna, the less the problem. Even a thin
case virtually eliminates it. So why not an antenna just inside the outer
case?

Esthetics. Jobs wanted it to look a certain way. His "vision". The physics
of electromagnetics took a back seat to the iSteve's "vision", and his
customers suffer for it.

I'd still buy one, but it yet another example of the iSteves extreme
arrogancee.

> the only reason people are getting angry is because apple is being held
> to a different standard that does not apply to anyone else. bunch of
> fucking hypocrites.

Again, yes, Apple is held to a higher standard. They advertise themselves
as caring and portray a certain image. Just like the evangelist preachers
that do drugs with gay prostitutes, all the while condemning those who do
the same. When they get caught, they get crucified, as they should be.
Notice, no one cares that Drew Carey hangs out with strippers and
prostitutes? It rarely even makes the scandal sheets. He doesn't pretend to
be holy, or comdemn others doing what he does. If you present yourself as
above all that, or better than others, you better damn well live up to it,
or face much deserved castigation, a la Tiger Woods.

There's another, maybe better, reason why Apple is held to such a high
standard. It's you fanbois. There are so many of you running around, acting
superior to PC/Droid/Evo users, that you create an atmosphere in which
others just can't wait to see your God fall. The PC/Mac ads were a perfect
example of that. Helpless, hapless PC and Mr Smug. I, and millions of
others, would have loved to wipe that smug look off his face. But you
fanbois loved it. It epitomized your view of the tech toy world - smug. You
have the inside track, the key to techie nirvana. Pretty much like those
evnagelist preachers I mentioned above. You elevate Apple and the iSteve to
the heights of heaven, then get pissed when you're shown their feet of
clay.

John McWilliams

salgud wrote:

<< Snipped bits out >>

So, what's your analysis and opinion of the anti-Apple fanboi?

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Bert Hyman

In news:michelle-D588A2.14470628062010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Copied directly from the user manual:
>
> Your device may have internal and external antennas. Avoid
> touching the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is
> transmitting or receiving. Contact with antennas affects the
> communication quality and may cause a higher power level during
> operation and may reduce the battery life.
>
><http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/Nokia_E72_UG_en-US_nam.pdf>

Where are the antennas on Nokia phones? Do they put them where normal
people with normal hands can hold the phone in a normal manner without
touching them?

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