cymbalom

When I installed IOS 5.0.1 yesterday, for some reason the backup of my
iPhone burped and apparently stored a null dataset. The IOS install
went smoothly, but when iTunes tried to restore from the backup, it
clobbered everything I had. About the only thing I haven't been able
to recover is my music. A little of it was obtainable from iCloud,
but most is not.

I had synched my iPhone with my iPod (and iPad), so ostensibly the
music is still out there. When I bring up iTunes, I can still see
it. But now I'm gun-shy. Any guesses as to whether I can synch the
phone with the iPod and get the rest of my music back?

Thanks! --- Angie

jc

On Nov 15, 1:47*am, cymbalom <sumowo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I installed IOS 5.0.1 yesterday, for some reason the backup of my
> iPhone burped and apparently stored a null dataset. *The IOS install
> went smoothly, but when iTunes tried to restore from the backup, it
> clobbered everything I had. *About the only thing I haven't been able
> to recover is my music. *A little of it was obtainable from iCloud,
> but most is not.
>
> I had synched my iPhone with my iPod (and iPad), so ostensibly the
> music is still out there. *When I bring up iTunes, I can still see
> it. *But now I'm gun-shy. *Any guesses as to whether I can synch the
> phone with the iPod and get the rest of my music back?
>
> Thanks! --- Angie

When you say you "see it in iTunes", do you mean it's in
your music library on the computer, or you see it on your
iPod or iPad *via* iTunes when the device is connected?
Those are very different situations.

If it's in your music library on the computer, then you're pretty
safe, because iTunes should never delete anything from your
computer library unless you specifically tell it to. If it's just
on the library of one of your devices, then
there's a real danger that exactly the same thing will happen.

Of course, it if was purchased, then you can always
re-download it, and if it wasn't purchased, then I
don't know how you would end up with it *only*
on your iPod/iPad.

Please clarify.

-jc

cymbalom

On Nov 15, 5:16*am, jc <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 1:47*am, cymbalom <sumowo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When I installed IOS 5.0.1 yesterday, for some reason the backup of my
> > iPhone burped and apparently stored a null dataset. *The IOS install
> > went smoothly, but when iTunes tried to restore from the backup, it
> > clobbered everything I had. *About the only thing I haven't been able
> > to recover is my music. *A little of it was obtainable from iCloud,
> > but most is not.
>
> > I had synched my iPhone with my iPod (and iPad), so ostensibly the
> > music is still out there. *When I bring up iTunes, I can still see
> > it. *But now I'm gun-shy. *Any guesses as to whether I can synch the
> > phone with the iPod and get the rest of my music back?
>
> > Thanks! --- Angie
>
> When you say you "see it in iTunes", do you mean it's in
> your music library on the computer, or you see it on your
> iPod or iPad *via* iTunes when the device is connected?
> Those are very different situations.
>
> If it's in your music library on the computer, then you're pretty
> safe, because iTunes should never delete anything from your
> computer library unless you specifically tell it to. *If it's just
> on the library of one of your devices, then
> there's a real danger that exactly the same thing will happen.
>
> Of course, it if was purchased, then you can always
> re-download it, and if it wasn't purchased, then I
> don't know how you would end up with it *only*
> on your iPod/iPad.
>
> Please clarify.
>
> -jc

I'm sorry....the music is still visible on the computer library. A
lot of it came from CD's we borrowed for the purpose from friends in
Texas. Then we moved. It's pretty obscure stuff. So, you are
making me feel more optimistic. Mebbe I'll try the synch
again.....thanks!

jc

On Nov 15, 7:51*am, cymbalom <sumowo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 5:16*am, jc <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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> > On Nov 15, 1:47*am, cymbalom <sumowo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > When I installed IOS 5.0.1 yesterday, for some reason the backup of my
> > > iPhone burped and apparently stored a null dataset. *The IOS install
> > > went smoothly, but when iTunes tried to restore from the backup, it
> > > clobbered everything I had. *About the only thing I haven't been able
> > > to recover is my music. *A little of it was obtainable from iCloud,
> > > but most is not.
>
> > > I had synched my iPhone with my iPod (and iPad), so ostensibly the
> > > music is still out there. *When I bring up iTunes, I can still see
> > > it. *But now I'm gun-shy. *Any guesses as to whether I can synch the
> > > phone with the iPod and get the rest of my music back?
>
> > > Thanks! --- Angie
>
> > When you say you "see it in iTunes", do you mean it's in
> > your music library on the computer, or you see it on your
> > iPod or iPad *via* iTunes when the device is connected?
> > Those are very different situations.
>
> > If it's in your music library on the computer, then you're pretty
> > safe, because iTunes should never delete anything from your
> > computer library unless you specifically tell it to. *If it's just
> > on the library of one of your devices, then
> > there's a real danger that exactly the same thing will happen.
>
> > Of course, it if was purchased, then you can always
> > re-download it, and if it wasn't purchased, then I
> > don't know how you would end up with it *only*
> > on your iPod/iPad.
>
> > Please clarify.
>
> > -jc
>
> I'm sorry....the music is still visible on the computer library. *A
> lot of it came from CD's we borrowed for the purpose from friends in
> Texas. *Then we moved. It's pretty obscure stuff. *So, you are
> making me feel more optimistic. Mebbe I'll try the synch
> again.....thanks!

You should be OK (although backing up your music is *always* a
good idea!). It's very easy to get in a situation where iTunes wipes
all the stuff off of your device, but it will never delete something
off your computer disk unless you tell it to (even if you "delete"
it from the library, it will not actually remove it from the disk
unless you specifically confirm that you want it to).

Just connect your device, select the appropriate tabs
(music, videos, apps), set up the sync preferences, and click "apply".

-jc

nospam

In article
<f7a1939a-a8ca-4a16-967a-1cf1adb21f8a@h5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, jc
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You should be OK (although backing up your music is *always* a
> good idea!).

yes it is

> It's very easy to get in a situation where iTunes wipes
> all the stuff off of your device,

no it isn't. itunes will not delete anything off a device without
confirmation from the user.

> but it will never delete something
> off your computer disk unless you tell it to (even if you "delete"
> it from the library, it will not actually remove it from the disk
> unless you specifically confirm that you want it to).

true, same as with a device.

jc

On Nov 15, 11:36*am, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <f7a1939a-a8ca-4a16-967a-1cf1adb21...@h5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, jc
>
> <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You should be OK (although backing up your music is *always* a
> > good idea!).
>
> yes it is
>
> > It's very easy to get in a situation where iTunes wipes
> > all the stuff off of your device,
>
> no it isn't. itunes will not delete anything off a device without
> confirmation from the user.
>

First all, that's one wrong mouse click to wipe your
whole library, which is "easy" in my book.

Second, plenty of other things can result in all
your content getting wiped. A bad OS crash or a
failed OS update will leave you no option but to
reset. In spite of the fact
that most or all of your content is still there, you will
have no opportunity to try to recover it (without third
party apps anyway). You'll have to wipe it and
start over. This has happened to me at least four
times.

In the old days, if this happened between making a
purchase on your mobile device and syncing with your
computer, your only option was to call Apple and beg
for forgiveness. This happened to me once, but
luckily iOS 4.3 came out in time to save the day.

-jc



> > but it will never delete something
> > off your computer disk unless you tell it to (even if you "delete"
> > it from the library, it will not actually remove it from the disk
> > unless you specifically confirm that you want it to).
>
> true, same as with a device.

nospam

In article
<9f12b6b9-e10d-48eb-aa94-a67c0017d84a@u5g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, jc
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > It's very easy to get in a situation where iTunes wipes
> > > all the stuff off of your device,
> >
> > no it isn't. itunes will not delete anything off a device without
> > confirmation from the user.
>
> First all, that's one wrong mouse click to wipe your
> whole library, which is "easy" in my book.

easy or not, it did what you told it to do. itunes asks if you want to
erase the music and if you say yes, then it will do exactly that. it
will *not* happen by itself.

> Second, plenty of other things can result in all
> your content getting wiped. A bad OS crash or a
> failed OS update will leave you no option but to
> reset.

i've never seen that happen, ever, but even the worst case where
everything is lost and you have to fully restore an ipod or iphone, all
of your music, apps and other data is copied back from the computer.
nothing is lost.

there was a bug back in iphone os 2 (it wasn't called ios then) that
rendered the music library inaccessible, but that has long been fixed,
and the music was on the computer anyway.

> In spite of the fact
> that most or all of your content is still there, you will
> have no opportunity to try to recover it (without third
> party apps anyway). You'll have to wipe it and
> start over. This has happened to me at least four
> times.

what in the world are you doing to need to recover so frequently?

> In the old days, if this happened between making a
> purchase on your mobile device and syncing with your
> computer, your only option was to call Apple and beg
> for forgiveness. This happened to me once, but
> luckily iOS 4.3 came out in time to save the day.

the only reason you might have needed to 'beg for forgiveness' was to
redownload a song you did not back up. prior to icloud, apple didn't
want to be a backup service.

Davoud

nospam:
> > no it isn't. itunes will not delete anything off a device without
> > confirmation from the user.

jc:
> First all, that's one wrong mouse click to wipe your
> whole library, which is "easy" in my book.

No, it's the culmination of several wrong clicks, the final of which
responds to a clearly worded warning. In the real world it requires a
profoundly clueless person to accidentally remove a song from the
iTunes library.

Furthermore, songs removed from the iTunes library are not gone. They
are in the computer's trash. Want 'em back, drag 'em out of the trash
and back into iTunes. Another chance at salvation for the fatally
clueless.

> Second, plenty of other things can result in all
> your content getting wiped. A bad OS crash or a
> failed OS update will leave you no option but to
> reset. In spite of the fact
> that most or all of your content is still there, you will
> have no opportunity to try to recover it (without third
> party apps anyway). You'll have to wipe it and
> start over. This has happened to me at least four
> times.

Speaking of the profoundly clueless, where were your bootable full
backups? Four times!? Also sounds like you might need to get a Mac. A
Mac HD can fail like any other--I experienced one a few years back, and
would have been inconvenienced for half a work day if I had not had six
Macs on the network and all data backed up in depth and available to
each Mac. Short of a HD failure, in many years of Mac consulting I have
never seen a "bad OS crash" (data destroyer), beyond a crash that
results in the loss of a document that should have been saved but was
not. I'm not claiming that the Mac is safer than any other system when
it is in the hands of the truly clueless, however; the "Empty Trash"
command does have a kind of finality for those without backups.

Davoud

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

jc

On Nov 15, 3:00*pm, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <9f12b6b9-e10d-48eb-aa94-a67c0017d...@u5g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, jc
>
> <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > It's very easy to get in a situation where iTunes wipes
> > > > all the stuff off of your device,
>
> > > no it isn't. itunes will not delete anything off a device without
> > > confirmation from the user.
>
> > First all, that's one wrong mouse click to wipe your
> > whole library, which is "easy" in my book.
>
> easy or not, it did what you told it to do. itunes asks if you want to
> erase the music and if you say yes, then it will do exactly that. it
> will *not* happen by itself.
>
> > Second, plenty of other things can result in all
> > your content getting wiped. A bad OS crash or a
> > failed OS update will leave you no option but to
> > reset.
>
> i've never seen that happen, ever, but even the worst case where
> everything is lost and you have to fully restore an ipod or iphone, all
> of your music, apps and other data is copied back from the computer.
> nothing is lost.
>
> there was a bug back in iphone os 2 (it wasn't called ios then) that
> rendered the music library inaccessible, but that has long been fixed,
> and the music was on the computer anyway.
>
> > In spite of the fact
> > that most or all of your content is still there, you will
> > have no opportunity to try to recover it (without third
> > party apps anyway). *You'll have to wipe it and
> > start over. *This has happened to me at least four
> > times.
>
> what in the world are you doing to need to recover so frequently?
>
> > In the old days, if this happened between making a
> > purchase on your mobile device and syncing with your
> > computer, your only option was to call Apple and beg
> > for forgiveness. *This happened to me once, but
> > luckily iOS 4.3 came out in time to save the day.
>
> the only reason you might have needed to 'beg for forgiveness' was to
> redownload a song you did not back up. prior to icloud, apple didn't
> want to be a backup service.

Do you ever even read the posts you respond to before responding
to them?

-jc

jc

On Nov 15, 6:37*pm, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> nospam:
>
> > > no it isn't. itunes will not delete anything off a device without
> > > confirmation from the user.
>
> jc:
>
> > First all, that's one wrong mouse click to wipe your
> > whole library, which is "easy" in my book.
>
> No, it's the culmination of several wrong clicks, the final of which
> responds to a clearly worded warning. In the real world it requires a
> profoundly clueless person to accidentally remove a song from the
> iTunes library.
>
Please read the whole thread before jumping in,
as your entire response is misdirected, and you've basically given
the same answer I gave two messages ago.

If you take the time to read, I wasn't talking about the iTunes
library,
I was talking about the *mobile device*. If you connect a device to
what it thinks
is a new library (which often happens when you move computers),
it will warn you that it's going to overwrite the library on the
device.
If you did this properly, it will simply overwrite the library
with the same stuff, but if you have stuff on your device that *isn't*
on the computer it will be lost.

Again, if you go back, *that* was the question being addressed.



> Furthermore, songs removed from the iTunes library are not gone. They
> are in the computer's trash. Want 'em back, drag 'em out of the trash
> and back into iTunes. Another chance at salvation for the fatally
> clueless.
>
> > Second, plenty of other things can result in all
> > your content getting wiped. A bad OS crash or a
> > failed OS update will leave you no option but to
> > reset. *In spite of the fact
> > that most or all of your content is still there, you will
> > have no opportunity to try to recover it (without third
> > party apps anyway). *You'll have to wipe it and
> > start over. *This has happened to me at least four
> > times.
>
> Speaking of the profoundly clueless, where were your bootable full
> backups? Four times!?

Again, I wasn't talking about the computer. I've actually *never*
lost content off a disk, even a disk too corrupt to boot from.

I was talking about the device iOS, which has gotten
much more reliable lately, but used to crash catastrophically
during updates (at least for me) fairly often. I think in
my case, it had something to do with the fact I
sync different things to different computers, and I learned
(painfully) that I had to update the iOS from the computer
I sync music to, NOT the computer I sync my calendar
to.

Please read what I post before responding in the future.

-jc

> Also sounds like you might need to get a Mac. A
> Mac HD can fail like any other--I experienced one a few years back, and
> would have been inconvenienced for half a work day if I had not had six
> Macs on the network and all data backed up in depth and available to
> each Mac. Short of a HD failure, in many years of Mac consulting I have
> never seen a "bad OS crash" (data destroyer), beyond a crash that
> results in the loss of a document that should have been saved but was
> not. I'm not claiming that the Mac is safer than any other system when
> it is in the hands of the truly clueless, however; the "Empty Trash"
> command does have a kind of finality for those without backups.
>
> Davoud
>
> --
> I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
> you will say in your entire life.
>
> usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm