Michelle Steiner

<http://www.electronista.com/articles...ce.on.jailbrea
king.not.changing/>

Apple tonight made clear its stance on the Library of Congress' decision to
legally sanction jailbreaking under the DMCA. The company didn't contest
the legality itself but said it would still break the warranty by going
beyond what Apple can support. It also stressed that it saw the experience
as hurting the experience for some by taking away the speed and reliability
they may have expected.

"Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a great
experience with their iPhone," the Cult of Mac was told by a spokeswoman.
"And we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the experience."

The representative wouldn't directly confront the question of whether Apple
would try to sue anyone who would sell jailbreaking tools, but she
emphasized Apple's history and that it hadn't done so before.

Monday's Library ruling doesn't require that Apple or other companies must
allow third-party apps in their code but also prevents these firms from
legally challenging any jailbreak developed for the purposes of running an
app or for unlocking access to other customers. It's unclear whether the
new exemptions would allow commercial development of jailbreaking apps;
such software would be designed for a profit, but it it would still be used
for individual purposes in most cases.

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Borg

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> <http://www.electronista.com/articles...ce.on.jailbrea
> king.not.changing/>
>
> Apple tonight made clear its stance on the Library of Congress' decision to
> legally sanction jailbreaking under the DMCA. The company didn't contest
> the legality itself but said it would still break the warranty by going
> beyond what Apple can support. It also stressed that it saw the experience
> as hurting the experience for some by taking away the speed and reliability
> they may have expected.
>
> "Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a great
> experience with their iPhone," the Cult of Mac was told by a spokeswoman.
> "And we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the experience."
>
> The representative wouldn't directly confront the question of whether Apple
> would try to sue anyone who would sell jailbreaking tools, but she
> emphasized Apple's history and that it hadn't done so before.
>
> Monday's Library ruling doesn't require that Apple or other companies must
> allow third-party apps in their code but also prevents these firms from
> legally challenging any jailbreak developed for the purposes of running an
> app or for unlocking access to other customers. It's unclear whether the
> new exemptions would allow commercial development of jailbreaking apps;
> such software would be designed for a profit, but it it would still be used
> for individual purposes in most cases.
>


Its my phone I'll do what I want with it.

Wes Groleau

On 07-27-2010 11:26, Michelle Steiner quoted:
> "Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a great
> experience with their iPhone," the Cult of Mac was told by a spokeswoman.
> "And we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the experience."

The Cult of Mac? You are quoting an objective, responsible, unbiased
journalist, of course.

--
Wes Groleau

Cage Fights at South Oak Cliff High
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=1458

Michelle Steiner

In article <i2n335$rtg$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > "Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a
> > great experience with their iPhone," the Cult of Mac was told by a
> > spokeswoman. "And we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the
> > experience."
>
> The Cult of Mac? You are quoting an objective, responsible, unbiased
> journalist, of course.

I'm quoting what they quoted an Apple spokeswoman as saying. So unless
you're suggesting that they made it up, their objectivity is not relevant.

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Wes Groleau

On 07-27-2010 13:11, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I'm quoting what they quoted an Apple spokeswoman as saying. So unless
> you're suggesting that they made it up, their objectivity is not relevant.

Their objectivity is relevant if you are wondering what facts they left
out or whether they present "facts" the way the lounge lizard does.

--
Wes Groleau

It’s the Law!
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=93

Tom Harrington

In article <michelle-B126B9.10114827072010@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <i2n335$rtg$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
> > > "Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a
> > > great experience with their iPhone," the Cult of Mac was told by a
> > > spokeswoman. "And we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the
> > > experience."
> >
> > The Cult of Mac? You are quoting an objective, responsible, unbiased
> > journalist, of course.
>
> I'm quoting what they quoted an Apple spokeswoman as saying. So unless
> you're suggesting that they made it up, their objectivity is not relevant.

If CoM ran a story saying that water is wet, I'd check before I believed
them.

--
Tom "Tom" Harrington
Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002
http://www.atomicbird.com/

Michelle Steiner

In article <i2n44p$66l$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > I'm quoting what they quoted an Apple spokeswoman as saying. So
> > unless you're suggesting that they made it up, their objectivity is
> > not relevant.
>
> Their objectivity is relevant if you are wondering what facts they left
> out or whether they present "facts" the way the lounge lizard does.

Well, actually, I was quoting what Electronista.com quoted Cult of Mac as
quoting the Apple representative. However, since that's not good enough
for you,
<http://www.techrockstar.com/2010/07/...-pro-jailbreak
-ruling/> also quotes Apple saying the same thing.

So do
<http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/27/...pple-doesn’t
-allow-it-even-if-legal-now-apple-will-hate-you-forever-for-jailbreaking-unl
ocking-your-iphone-void-warranties-but-won’t-sue-anyone/>

<http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/...nd-apple-still
-voids-warranty-if-you-jailbreak/>

Oh, and here's cult of mac's initial article about it:
<http://www.cultofmac.com/apples-offi...lbreak-exempti
on-it-voids-your-warranty/52463>

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Adrian C

On 27/07/2010 16:26, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> <http://www.electronista.com/articles...ce.on.jailbrea
> king.not.changing/>
>
> Apple tonight made clear its stance on the Library of Congress' decision to
> legally sanction jailbreaking under the DMCA. The company didn't contest
> the legality itself but said it would still break the warranty by going
> beyond what Apple can support.

Apple has plenty of older products out there in the wild which no longer
have their current support, at least in OS devlopment and upgrades and
are definately beyond warranty. With these items, they really shouldn't
get in the way of customers making changes to their own tastes and
preferences.

This by the way isn't only Apple. There are loads of other manufacturers
who should open source or at least give better information on all their
dead products, to save at least some of them joining the garbage heap,
and to inspire the minds of some that might go on to investigate and
create better.

That would be a better 'green' motive than the other one that says
"smash everything to bits" and lets see which chemical elements can be
reclaimed.

IMO Locking firmware up forever with encyption should be a felony.

It's done here in the UK with digital television set-top boxes, even
though the boxes themselves don't necessarily handle encrypted data
streams. And changes in the broadcast data standards too readily leaves
these bound for the skip, most likely with the unfortunate manufacturer
going the same way.

--
Adrian C

RBnDFW

I figured on using my 3G around the house for wifi web access after I
upgraded to the 4. But since switching my AT&T service to the new
phone, the old one is useless. Will jailbreaking it make it useful for
wife web and email access? Run any apps that I had on it?

David Empson

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> <http://www.electronista.com/articles...ce.on.jailbrea
> king.not.changing/>
>
> Apple tonight made clear its stance on the Library of Congress' decision to
> legally sanction jailbreaking under the DMCA. The company didn't contest
> the legality itself but said it would still break the warranty by going
> beyond what Apple can support. It also stressed that it saw the experience
> as hurting the experience for some by taking away the speed and reliability
> they may have expected.
>
> "Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a great
> experience with their iPhone," the Cult of Mac was told by a spokeswoman.
> "And we know that jailbreaking can severely degrade the experience."

That statement seems rather ironic since many people are suffering
through bad experiences with Apple's official iOS 4 on the iPhone 3G and
2nd gen iPod Touch.

--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz