Michael Eyd

Hi,

I guess this will (finally) put an end to all the discussion about how
stupid it is (by Apple), that iOS does not support Flash: Adobe
themselves today announced that they will stop the support for Flash on
mobile platforms (mainly Android, RIM PlayBook). ;-)

Instead they will focus on HTML5 for mobile devices - isn't that exactly
the strategy Apple was pursuing for a long time already? ;-)

Here one source:
<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/exclusive-adobe-ceases-development-on-mobile-browser-flash-refocuses-efforts-on-html5-updated/19226>.

Best regards,

Michael

Michelle Steiner

In article <j9e5jc$gv4$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
wrote:

> Here one source:
> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/exc...ment-on-mobile
> -browser-flash-refocuses-efforts-on-html5-updated/19226>.

Here's another:
<http://www.electronista.com/articles...obile.flash.pa
st.111/>

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Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> writes:

> I guess this will (finally) put an end to all the discussion about how
> stupid it is (by Apple), that iOS does not support Flash: Adobe
> themselves today announced that they will stop the support for Flash
> on mobile platforms (mainly Android, RIM PlayBook). ;-)

Did they ever get Flash to work well on any of them? The last
few times I saw it in action, it was horrible and sad.

> Instead they will focus on HTML5 for mobile devices - isn't that
> exactly the strategy Apple was pursuing for a long time already? ;-)

And you have to wonder, if Apple hadn't pushed so hard, would
we be stuck with Flash on all our mobile devices, as horrible
as it was? I've said it many times - everyone one of us who
uses such devices, whether Apple products or not - owes Apple
a small debt of gratitude for having the guts to go up against
the entrenched system.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the announcement
yesterday of Adobe planning on laying off 750 employees (some
7 percent of their workforce).


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JF Mezei

Michael Eyd wrote:
> I guess this will (finally) put an end to all the discussion about how
> stupid it is (by Apple), that iOS does not support Flash: Adobe
> themselves today announced that they will stop the support for Flash on
> mobile platforms (mainly Android, RIM PlayBook). ;-)


I have to wonder about the timing. Perhaps Adobe saw this coming for a
long time, but didn't want to give Steve Jobs the benefit of winning
that argument, so they waited for him to die. Business can be harsh at
times

It could also be because the Android handset vendors saw their battery
autonomy really affected by Flash and wanted Adobe to find a better
solution and Adobe couldn't due to the architecture of Flash.

Your Name

In article <yobaa85tevc.fsf@panix2.panix.com>, BreadWithSpam@fractious.net
wrote:
> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> writes:
> >
> > I guess this will (finally) put an end to all the discussion about how
> > stupid it is (by Apple), that iOS does not support Flash: Adobe
> > themselves today announced that they will stop the support for Flash
> > on mobile platforms (mainly Android, RIM PlayBook). ;-)
>
> Did they ever get Flash to work well on any of them? The last
> few times I saw it in action, it was horrible and sad.

Adobe has never been able to get Flash to work on ANY platform. It's
always been a slow, resource hungry pile of badly written garbage, on
computers as well as mobile devices. Good web designers with any sense
have always tried to avoid using it (sometimes demands by management
idiots make that impossible though).

Thankfully Flash is slowly on the way out, and even Adobe recognised that
fact a while back and started moving towards HTML5 creation tools in their
software. Unfortunately it will be quite some time before the garbage is
eradicated from the Internet.

Your Name

In article <michelle-C8B922.09212609112011@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <j9e5jc$gv4$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Here one source:
> >
<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/exc...ment-on-mobile
> > -browser-flash-refocuses-efforts-on-html5-updated/19226>.
>
> Here's another:
> <http://www.electronista.com/articles...obile.flash.pa
> st.111/>


Here's the same news from MacRumors.com ...

Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Mobile Devices
----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet is reporting that Adobe has announced to its partners that
the company has discontinued development on Flash Player for
mobile browsers. The news comes roughly a year and a half after
the publication of Steve Jobs' "Thoughts on Flash" open letter,
laying out his thoughts on the use of Flash in mobile devices
and explaining why Apple would not support Flash on their mobile
devices.

Instead of working on mobile Flash, Adobe plans to continue
developing its tools to produce applications that work on mobile
app stores, including Apple's App Store.

From Adobe's announcement:

"Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will
be focused on enabling Flash developers to package
native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app
stores. We will no longer adapt Flash Player for
mobile devices to new browser, OS version or
device configurations. Some of our source code
licensees may opt to continue working on and
releasing their own implementations. We will
continue to support the current Android and
PlayBook configurations with critical bug fixes
and security updates."

ZDNet notes that the announcement should go public on Adobe's
website in the next day.

Update: The complete announcement has now been posted to
Adobe's site.
<http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2011/11/flash-to-focus-on-pc-browsing-and-mobile-apps-adobe-to-more-aggressively-contribute-to-html5.html>

Doug Anderson

BreadWithSpam@fractious.net writes:

> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> writes:
>
> > I guess this will (finally) put an end to all the discussion about how
> > stupid it is (by Apple), that iOS does not support Flash: Adobe
> > themselves today announced that they will stop the support for Flash
> > on mobile platforms (mainly Android, RIM PlayBook). ;-)
>
> Did they ever get Flash to work well on any of them? The last
> few times I saw it in action, it was horrible and sad.
>
> > Instead they will focus on HTML5 for mobile devices - isn't that
> > exactly the strategy Apple was pursuing for a long time already? ;-)
>
> And you have to wonder, if Apple hadn't pushed so hard, would
> we be stuck with Flash on all our mobile devices, as horrible
> as it was? I've said it many times - everyone one of us who
> uses such devices, whether Apple products or not - owes Apple
> a small debt of gratitude for having the guts to go up against
> the entrenched system.

Think about diskette drives! I suspect if Apple hadn't been willing
to do them in and put in USB, our thumb drives would be shaped like
3.5" diskettes so they could fit into legacy diskette slots.

nospam

In article <tozkg50zg2.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Think about diskette drives! I suspect if Apple hadn't been willing
> to do them in and put in USB, our thumb drives would be shaped like
> 3.5" diskettes so they could fit into legacy diskette slots.

smartmedia cards, common in digital cameras a decade ago, were designed
to be compatible with floppy disk drives.

<http://www.dcresource.com/FlashPath/>

<http://www.dcresource.com/FlashPath/FlashPath_big.JPG>

Doug Anderson

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> In article <tozkg50zg2.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Think about diskette drives! I suspect if Apple hadn't been willing
> > to do them in and put in USB, our thumb drives would be shaped like
> > 3.5" diskettes so they could fit into legacy diskette slots.
>
> smartmedia cards, common in digital cameras a decade ago, were designed
> to be compatible with floppy disk drives.
>
> <http://www.dcresource.com/FlashPath/>
>
> <http://www.dcresource.com/FlashPath/FlashPath_big.JPG>

Yeah, I didn't know about that particular device, but it seems likely
to me that such things would have proliferated had Apple not stopped
shipping diskette drives while making USB standard. (I'm not saying
they were the only manufacturer offering USB in 1998 - just that by
not offering floppies they enhanced chances for USB adoption.)

Your Name

In article <hc7h39os12.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>
> > In article <tozkg50zg2.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Think about diskette drives! I suspect if Apple hadn't been willing
> > > to do them in and put in USB, our thumb drives would be shaped like
> > > 3.5" diskettes so they could fit into legacy diskette slots.
> >
> > smartmedia cards, common in digital cameras a decade ago, were designed
> > to be compatible with floppy disk drives.
> >
> > <http://www.dcresource.com/FlashPath/>
> >
> > <http://www.dcresource.com/FlashPath/FlashPath_big.JPG>
>
> Yeah, I didn't know about that particular device, but it seems likely
> to me that such things would have proliferated had Apple not stopped
> shipping diskette drives while making USB standard. (I'm not saying
> they were the only manufacturer offering USB in 1998 - just that by
> not offering floppies they enhanced chances for USB adoption.)

You can still buy cassette-shaped adapters that allow you to plug in a
portable CD player or even iPod into an older car radio-casette player.
:-)

The problem was that Apple dropped the floppy disk drive, but didn't
replace it with anything. There were of course some external USB floppy
disk drives sold for a while for those who wanted them, but most users
didn't bother buying them, especially once the iMac eventually started
shipping with a recordable CD drive.