Carl Heinz

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:57:20 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:

>There are times when my wi-fi iPad gets a push notification where I am
>not connected to a wi-fi source. I will look at my wi-fi settings
>and see a couple of locked sources, but no open source that I can get
>to.
>
>How does this work?

Are you talking about a wifi net of your own or nets your iPad finds when
you're not near your own net(s)?

If you're seeing third party nets, many, if not most, are secured to
authorized devices.
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Carl Heinz
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greenpjs@neo.rr.com

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:46:41 -0700, Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:57:20 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
>
>>There are times when my wi-fi iPad gets a push notification where I am
>>not connected to a wi-fi source. I will look at my wi-fi settings
>>and see a couple of locked sources, but no open source that I can get
>>to.
>>
>>How does this work?
>
>Are you talking about a wifi net of your own or nets your iPad finds when
>you're not near your own net(s)?
>
>If you're seeing third party nets, many, if not most, are secured to
>authorized devices.
Hmmm. One of us misunderstood the question. I think he is saying he
is NOT connected to any wifi and that the only wifi's available at his
current location happen to be secured so he knows he is not connected
to them - yet, he ocassionally gets a push notification.

In my opinion, that can't happen. Either he received the push while
he was last connected to a network or he is currently connected and
don't know it. One common situation I have found are networks named
linksys that are open. If you have used such a network, your iPad
will automatically connect when it sees (what it thinks is) that same
network again. There are so many of them out there, you could be
running into them regularly as you move from place to place. My
daughter has lived in a number of different apartments in various
cities over the last 4 or 5 years. Every one of them had an open wifi
network called linksys within range. I think the problem is slowly
going away as new routers default to being protected rather than open,
but there are still a lot of open router out there.

Howard Brazee

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:45:33 -0400, greenpjs@neo.rr.com wrote:

>Hmmm. One of us misunderstood the question. I think he is saying he
>is NOT connected to any wifi and that the only wifi's available at his
>current location happen to be secured so he knows he is not connected
>to them - yet, he ocassionally gets a push notification.
>
>In my opinion, that can't happen. Either he received the push while
>he was last connected to a network or he is currently connected and
>don't know it. One common situation I have found are networks named
>linksys that are open. If you have used such a network, your iPad
>will automatically connect when it sees (what it thinks is) that same
>network again. There are so many of them out there, you could be
>running into them regularly as you move from place to place. My
>daughter has lived in a number of different apartments in various
>cities over the last 4 or 5 years. Every one of them had an open wifi
>network called linksys within range. I think the problem is slowly
>going away as new routers default to being protected rather than open,
>but there are still a lot of open router out there.


I was at the Denver Zoo, and heard a push notification. I opened my
iPad, and saw the notification. Then I looked at my settings. It
says there is no wi-fi connection. I looked within. I saw two
locked wi-fi connections. I wondered where the push came from.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

David Empson

Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:45:33 -0400, greenpjs@neo.rr.com wrote:
>
> >Hmmm. One of us misunderstood the question. I think he is saying he
> >is NOT connected to any wifi and that the only wifi's available at his
> >current location happen to be secured so he knows he is not connected
> >to them - yet, he ocassionally gets a push notification.
> >
> >In my opinion, that can't happen. Either he received the push while
> >he was last connected to a network or he is currently connected and
> >don't know it. One common situation I have found are networks named
> >linksys that are open. If you have used such a network, your iPad
> >will automatically connect when it sees (what it thinks is) that same
> >network again. There are so many of them out there, you could be
> >running into them regularly as you move from place to place. My
> >daughter has lived in a number of different apartments in various
> >cities over the last 4 or 5 years. Every one of them had an open wifi
> >network called linksys within range. I think the problem is slowly
> >going away as new routers default to being protected rather than open,
> >but there are still a lot of open router out there.
>
>
> I was at the Denver Zoo, and heard a push notification.

What was it a notification for? It might have just been an internally
generated one, such as a calendar alert.

> I opened my iPad, and saw the notification. Then I looked at my
> settings. It says there is no wi-fi connection. I looked within. I
> saw two locked wi-fi connections. I wondered where the push came from.

If there was no WiFi connection and you have a WiFi iPad, then it cannot
have received a push notification at that point, because it had no
Internet connection.

Either what you saw wasn't a push notification at all (just a locally
generated notification), or your iPad temporarily had a WiFi connection
to a nearby open network (with a weak signal) and lost it just before
you got into settings to see no WiFi connection.

In theory it could have also been connected to an iPhone or other
cellular modem via Personal Hotspot (personal area networking) over
Bluetooth, but you are more likely to have been aware of that.

--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

Howard Brazee

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:03:19 +1200, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David
Empson) wrote:

>> I was at the Denver Zoo, and heard a push notification.
>
>What was it a notification for? It might have just been an internally
>generated one, such as a calendar alert.

It was for some game that my grandkids play.

>> I opened my iPad, and saw the notification. Then I looked at my
>> settings. It says there is no wi-fi connection. I looked within. I
>> saw two locked wi-fi connections. I wondered where the push came from.
>
>If there was no WiFi connection and you have a WiFi iPad, then it cannot
>have received a push notification at that point, because it had no
>Internet connection.
>
>Either what you saw wasn't a push notification at all (just a locally
>generated notification), or your iPad temporarily had a WiFi connection
>to a nearby open network (with a weak signal) and lost it just before
>you got into settings to see no WiFi connection.
>
>In theory it could have also been connected to an iPhone or other
>cellular modem via Personal Hotspot (personal area networking) over
>Bluetooth, but you are more likely to have been aware of that.

At a zoo, this could be a very real possibility.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Jolly Roger

In article <l90c779k4r4crl4qjr6r0s7gkk474k74g3@4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:03:19 +1200, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David
> Empson) wrote:
>
> >> I was at the Denver Zoo, and heard a push notification.
> >
> >What was it a notification for? It might have just been an internally
> >generated one, such as a calendar alert.
>
> It was for some game that my grandkids play.
>
> >> I opened my iPad, and saw the notification. Then I looked at my
> >> settings. It says there is no wi-fi connection. I looked within. I
> >> saw two locked wi-fi connections. I wondered where the push came from.
> >
> >If there was no WiFi connection and you have a WiFi iPad, then it cannot
> >have received a push notification at that point, because it had no
> >Internet connection.
> >
> >Either what you saw wasn't a push notification at all (just a locally
> >generated notification), or your iPad temporarily had a WiFi connection
> >to a nearby open network (with a weak signal) and lost it just before
> >you got into settings to see no WiFi connection.
> >
> >In theory it could have also been connected to an iPhone or other
> >cellular modem via Personal Hotspot (personal area networking) over
> >Bluetooth, but you are more likely to have been aware of that.
>
> At a zoo, this could be a very real possibility.

It's probably not the best idea to let your device join just any old
network it comes across without you knowing.

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DevilsPGD

In message <l90c779k4r4crl4qjr6r0s7gkk474k74g3@4ax.com> someone claiming
to be Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> typed:

>On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:03:19 +1200, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David
>Empson) wrote:
>
>>> I was at the Denver Zoo, and heard a push notification.
>>
>>What was it a notification for? It might have just been an internally
>>generated one, such as a calendar alert.
>
>It was for some game that my grandkids play.

Do you have any reason to believe it was a push notice at all? Could
the game have requested the popup locally?

--
It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to
steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

Howard Brazee

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:08:19 -0700, DevilsPGD
<Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote:

>>It was for some game that my grandkids play.
>
>Do you have any reason to believe it was a push notice at all? Could
>the game have requested the popup locally?

Good point. I don't. The sound was the same as I get with push
notices and the message had the same format, but it may be from a
timer.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Lewis

In message <l90c779k4r4crl4qjr6r0s7gkk474k74g3@4ax.com>
Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:03:19 +1200, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David
> Empson) wrote:

>>> I was at the Denver Zoo, and heard a push notification.
>>
>>What was it a notification for? It might have just been an internally
>>generated one, such as a calendar alert.

> It was for some game that my grandkids play.

So probably it was a timed local push, like "Your cranberries need to be
harvested" not a real remote push.


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husband, a family. I only wish I had more time to seek out the dark
forces and join their hellish crusade."