Ken Gagne

Hey, all!

Retro Computing Roundtable podcast co-host David Greelish recently
interviewed John Sculley. That recording is available in two parts:

http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...2C_Part_1.html

http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...2C_Part_2.html

The discussion wasn't specifically about the Apple II, so Mike
Maginnis and I brought David and noted Apple II historian Steve
Weyhrich onto the Open Apple podcast to discuss how facts revealed in
the above interview might inform our opinion of Sculley as it pertains
to the era of Apple Computer Inc. that saw the introduction of the Mac
and the death of the Apple II.

You can hear that discussion in the January 2012 episode of the Open
Apple podcast, now available here:

http://www.open-apple.net/2012/01/11...-sculley-jobs/

-Ken

BLuRry

On Jan 11, 1:11*pm, Ken Gagne <kga...@gamebits.net> wrote:
> Hey, all!
>
> Retro Computing Roundtable podcast co-host David Greelish recently
> interviewed John Sculley. *That recording is available in two parts:
>
> http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...CC_Show/Entrie...
>
> http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...CC_Show/Entrie...
>
> The discussion wasn't specifically about the Apple II, so Mike
> Maginnis and I brought David and noted Apple II historian Steve
> Weyhrich onto the Open Apple podcast to discuss how facts revealed in
> the above interview might inform our opinion of Sculley as it pertains
> to the era of Apple Computer Inc. that saw the introduction of the Mac
> and the death of the Apple II.
>
> You can hear that discussion in the January 2012 episode of the Open
> Apple podcast, now available here:
> A
> http://www.open-apple.net/2012/01/11...weyhrich-scull...
>
> -Ken

I remember spending most of my childhood loathing that name. He would
have been more fondly remembered if he ran over my dog or stole my
bike. Not sure if my bile and angst was well-placed, but there you
go. :-)

-B

Wholly Mindless

BLuRry wrote:
> I remember spending most of my childhood loathing that name. He would
> have been more fondly remembered if he ran over my dog or stole my
> bike. Not sure if my bile and angst was well-placed, but there you
> go. :-)

You might find after listening that you might have been a bit wrong... I
certainly was.

--
Wholly

Moose

On Jan 12, 5:11*am, Ken Gagne <kga...@gamebits.net> wrote:
> Hey, all!
>
> Retro Computing Roundtable podcast co-host David Greelish recently
> interviewed John Sculley. *That recording is available in two parts:
>
> http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...CC_Show/Entrie...
>
> http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...CC_Show/Entrie...
>
> The discussion wasn't specifically about the Apple II, so Mike
> Maginnis and I brought David and noted Apple II historian Steve
> Weyhrich onto the Open Apple podcast to discuss how facts revealed in
> the above interview might inform our opinion of Sculley as it pertains
> to the era of Apple Computer Inc. that saw the introduction of the Mac
> and the death of the Apple II.
>
> You can hear that discussion in the January 2012 episode of the Open
> Apple podcast, now available here:
>
> http://www.open-apple.net/2012/01/11...weyhrich-scull...
>
> -Ken

Thanks Ken, I'll download and listen to this asap.

Regardless of how or why the Apple ][ was killed off though, the way
that Apple did it was appallingly bad. Giving Apple ][ users ZERO
migration options to go forward to a supported machine, the Mac, until
*many* years later, treating Apple ][ users like toxic waste and with
a complete lack of care or respect, and so on.

I went from the Apple ][ to the PC because of Apple's appalling
attitude to ][ owners / users. I was not going to let them treat me
like that again. In the 30 years since, I have never purchased any
other Apple products (and probably never will).

The Apple ][GS was a fine machine, that should have been supported and
built on.

Or, at the very least, Apple ][ emulator cards for the Mac should have
been made sooner, rather than many years later - by then it was too
late.

All the best,

Moose OMalley
__________________________________________________ __
Moose's Software Valley - Established July, 1996.
WEB: http://move.to/moose
__________________________________________________ __

N.N. Thayer

On Jan 12, 4:55*pm, Moose <kinkapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 5:11*am, Ken Gagne <kga...@gamebits.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey, all!
>
> > Retro Computing Roundtable podcast co-host David Greelish recently
> > interviewed John Sculley. *That recording is available in two parts:
>
> >http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...CC_Show/Entrie...
>
> >http://web.me.com/dgreelish/Classic_...CC_Show/Entrie...
>
> > The discussion wasn't specifically about the Apple II, so Mike
> > Maginnis and I brought David and noted Apple II historian Steve
> > Weyhrich onto the Open Apple podcast to discuss how facts revealed in
> > the above interview might inform our opinion of Sculley as it pertains
> > to the era of Apple Computer Inc. that saw the introduction of the Mac
> > and the death of the Apple II.
>
> > You can hear that discussion in the January 2012 episode of the Open
> > Apple podcast, now available here:
>
> >http://www.open-apple.net/2012/01/11...weyhrich-scull...
>
> > -Ken
>
> Thanks Ken, I'll download and listen to this asap.
>
> Regardless of how or why the Apple ][ was killed off though, the way
> that Apple did it was appallingly bad. *Giving Apple ][ users ZERO
> migration options to go forward to a supported machine, the Mac, until
> *many* years later, treating Apple ][ users like toxic waste and with
> a complete lack of care or respect, and so on.
>
> I went from the Apple ][ to the PC because of Apple's appalling
> attitude to ][ owners / users. *I was not going to let them treat me
> like that again. *In the 30 years since, I have never purchased any
> other Apple products (and probably never will).
>
> The Apple ][GS was a fine machine, that should have been supported and
> built on.
>
> Or, at the very least, Apple ][ emulator cards for the Mac should have
> been made sooner, rather than many years later - by then it was too
> late.
>
> All the best,
>
> *Moose OMalley
> __________________________________________________ __
> *Moose's Software Valley - Established July, 1996.
> *WEB:http://move.to/moose
> __________________________________________________ __

Originally, my problem with the way the Apple II was treated
throughout the '80s and '90s was that it was more or less
technologically stagnant. The PC grew in leaps and bounds while the
Apple II saw only incremental improvements, until the IIGS which was,
ultimately, too little too late. (The PC also demonstrated that
backward compatibility didn't have to be an albatross.)

There's undeniable truth to that, but it's also interesting to see the
Apple II as a member of a small category that could only ever exist
once: microcomputers that established userbases in specific areas, and
exploited that entrenchment to persist long after their actual
technology had been surpassed by the rest of the computing world.

The Commodore 64, Sinclair ZX Spectrum, and Apple //e all followed the
same arcs, with similar start/stop production dates and rather
different userbases.