no.spam@123.xyz

Hi,

What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
with IIgs?

Thanks!

Polymorph

On Oct 26, 8:01*am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
> with IIgs?
>
> Thanks!

Just about all Mac ADB keyboards will work with the IIgs - *except*
the ergonomic split keyboard(s). Many like the "Apple Extended
Keyboard II". Personally, I use an "Apple Keyboard II" as it is
compact like the M0487, but it has a nicer feel to use.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Mike

Rockin' Kat

On 10/25/11 3:07 PM, Polymorph wrote:
> On Oct 26, 8:01 am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
>> with IIgs?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Just about all Mac ADB keyboards will work with the IIgs - *except*
> the ergonomic split keyboard(s). Many like the "Apple Extended
> Keyboard II". Personally, I use an "Apple Keyboard II" as it is
> compact like the M0487, but it has a nicer feel to use.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike

I've always wondered... Anyone know why the ergonomic split keyboards
don't work?

-RK

no.spam@123.xyz

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), Polymorph
<mike.a.stephens@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 26, 8:01*am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
>> with IIgs?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>Just about all Mac ADB keyboards will work with the IIgs - *except*
>the ergonomic split keyboard(s). Many like the "Apple Extended
>Keyboard II". Personally, I use an "Apple Keyboard II" as it is
>compact like the M0487, but it has a nicer feel to use.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Cheers,
>Mike

Thanks, Mike!
I am assuming they all have the Reset button, too? Or is some key
combo required instead?

Rockin' Kat

On 10/25/11 5:22 PM, no.spam@123.xyz wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), Polymorph
> <mike.a.stephens@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 26, 8:01 am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
>>> with IIgs?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> Just about all Mac ADB keyboards will work with the IIgs - *except*
>> the ergonomic split keyboard(s). Many like the "Apple Extended
>> Keyboard II". Personally, I use an "Apple Keyboard II" as it is
>> compact like the M0487, but it has a nicer feel to use.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>
> Thanks, Mike!
> I am assuming they all have the Reset button, too? Or is some key
> combo required instead?

You mean the Power Key (triangle)? They all have it... but even the
original IIgs requires a key combo to reset.

-RK

Wholly Mindless

Rockin' Kat wrote:
> You mean the Power Key (triangle)? They all have it... but even the
> original IIgs requires a key combo to reset.

Even the original ][+ could be configured to require a combo. All you have
to do is accidentally hit the reset button once and you flipped that switch
fast! Then you would learn to stretch your hand all the way across the
keyboard from control to reset so you didn't have to put down the coke.

--
Wholly

Tony Kavadias

On Oct 26, 11:00*am, Rockin' Kat <rockin...@thecowsaysmoo.org> wrote:
> On 10/25/11 3:07 PM, Polymorph wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 26, 8:01 am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
> >> Hi,
>
> >> What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
> >> with IIgs?
>
> >> Thanks!
>
> > Just about all Mac ADB keyboards will work with the IIgs - *except*
> > the ergonomic split keyboard(s). Many like the "Apple Extended
> > Keyboard II". Personally, I use an "Apple Keyboard II" as it is
> > compact like the M0487, but it has a nicer feel to use.
>
> > Hope this helps.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
>
> I've always wondered... Anyone know why the ergonomic split keyboards
> don't work?
>
> -RK

Because the Apple Adjustable Keyboard is actually two physical ADB
keyboards, and one interferes with the other on the same ADB bus (only
the Mac IIfx had two ADB microcontrollers and, hence, two ADB buses on
the one system).

Many people have complained that this prevented from playing some
games on the Macintosh, where key presses on the numeric keypad (one
of the two physical keyboards) would "cancel" any key-down events of
modifier keys on the main keyboard. Because of this massive
disturbance between the two keyboards on the one bus, many games were
rendered unplayable on the Mac.

The Apple IIGS would have the same issues, considering it used the
same ADB microcontroller as the Mac SE and Mac SE/30. And the
problems continue to plague the Power Macintosh 7500/100 and Macintosh
LC 575, since I happen to have both machines, and the aforementioned
keyboard.

;-)

--tonza

Tony Kavadias

On Oct 26, 11:22*am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT), Polymorph
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <mike.a.steph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 26, 8:01*am, no.s...@123.xyz wrote:
> >> Hi,
>
> >> What would be a good alternative for my Apple M0487 keyboards to use
> >> with IIgs?
>
> >> Thanks!
>
> >Just about all Mac ADB keyboards will work with the IIgs - *except*
> >the ergonomic split keyboard(s). Many like the "Apple Extended
> >Keyboard II". Personally, I use an "Apple Keyboard II" as it is
> >compact like the M0487, but it has a nicer feel to use.
>
> >Hope this helps.
>
> >Cheers,
> >Mike
>
> Thanks, Mike!
> I am assuming they all have the Reset button, too? Or is some key
> combo required instead?

Yes, the Apple Adjustable Keyboard has a "power" key on the main
keyboard. You can reset a Mac using this key (along with the Control
and Command keys).

I presume that this key would also be used to reset an Apple IIGS, but
I don't have an Apple IIGS to test it with, I'm afraid.

--tonza

Steve Nickolas

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Tony Kavadias wrote:

> Yes, the Apple Adjustable Keyboard has a "power" key on the main
> keyboard. You can reset a Mac using this key (along with the Control
> and Command keys).
>
> I presume that this key would also be used to reset an Apple IIGS, but
> I don't have an Apple IIGS to test it with, I'm afraid.
>
> --tonza
>

It is the same exact Three Finger Salute the //e, //c and IIgs use.

-uso.

D Finnigan

Tony Kavadias wrote:
>
> The Apple IIGS would have the same issues, considering it used the
> same ADB microcontroller as the Mac SE and Mac SE/30. And the
> problems continue to plague the Power Macintosh 7500/100 and Macintosh
> LC 575, since I happen to have both machines, and the aforementioned
> keyboard.
>

For further reading, Mr. Empson has written some nice descriptions of the
IIgs ADB controller:

http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=123537
http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=241506

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